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To: i-node who wrote (207132)	10/17/2004 10:02:32 AM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575059

So, why are you not criticizing Kerry in the same way? BOTH Bush and Kerry had the same intelligence information and arrived at precisely the same conclusion. Kerry himself has not walked away from his support of the resolution...but that's where the comparisons end. The mess we find ourselves in today is 100% Bush and company. If the CEO of my company screws up as badly as bush has, he's out on the street. Which is where we hope mr bush will be in a couple of months. Al

To: i-node who wrote (207132)	10/17/2004 11:05:55 AM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1575059

>o, why are you not criticizing Kerry in the same way? BOTH Bush and Kerry had the same intelligence information and arrived at precisely the same conclusion. A lot of information has come out over the last year or two showing that this administration pushed the intelligence community to get them the intelligence that they wanted, and that's the intelligence that John Kerry saw. -Z

To: i-node who wrote (207132)	10/18/2004 2:16:46 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575059

So, why are you not criticizing Kerry in the same way? BOTH Bush and Kerry had the same intelligence information and arrived at precisely the same conclusion. Fair enough, Kerry was equally mislead by the intelligence he received from Bush adminstration. But in this case it's like blaming a divisional head and the CEO of a company when the CEO launches a campaign that drives the company into bankruptcy. Just because the division head supported the CEO's campaign doesn't mean they are equally at fault. The primary responsibility lies with the lead decision maker. Kerry's job at the time was to represent Massachusettes in the Senate, and all the access to intelligence and decision making (control of 1 vote in the Senate) that that entails. Bush's job was leading the United States, and all the access to intelligence (100% access I imagine) and decision making (leading the military) that entails. I doubt Kerry saw as much intelligence as Bush did, and I doubt Kerry had nearly as much involvement in defining the leadership and responsibilities of the intelligence gathering community as Bush did. Again - the lack of WMDs in Iraq indicates that Bush either is not too smart (he couldn't determine that the available intelligence was inconclusive) or he lied (he didn't care that the available intelligence was inconclusive). The difference between George and Kerry on this issue is that the buck stops with George, and it was George's job to analyze the information and do what's best for the country. Kerry failed in his role of the check and balance, but part of that is due to trusting the intelligence and competence of the guy in charge. I trusted the Bush administration's pitch prior to the war (as did most Americans), and the boob was 100% wrong his justification for the largest military action since Vietnam. Just because we both would have supported an invasion of Iraq on the basic idea that Saddam was unfit to lead the country, and dangerous, doesn't excuse George's failure in the WMD analysis.