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To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (646369)	10/17/2004 4:06:28 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 769670

what could they really do? HUH???? That was HQ of the Pacific fleet! And homebase for most of it! Come now. What could they do? They could and did report the comings and goings of those ships and their presence and absence from the shallow Pearl Harbor anchorage. That was to become a key factor to two reasons: (1) The Japanese had to develop a special torpedo capable of running in water that shallow. And the US Navy was unaware they had done so and Pearl was vulnerable. (2) Those Japanese spies failed to report the departure of the US carriers just before the attack. Had Japan sank those carriers, they might have taken Hawaii, maybe even CA, and gotten their wish of a negotiated settlement. The naval and air facilities were concentrated in a couple of locations and easily guarded. If they were so bloody easily guarded, why were the ships that were there so bloody easily sank? The most a spy could do was report comings and goings of the fleet, of dubious value to the enemy. Dubious? Hardly. Had the Japanese spies been on their toes, they would have reported the absence of those carriers. "Dubious value"? Hardly. BTW, the ONLY Japanese spies I have heard of in Hawaii were consulate personnel. Diplomatic personnel are understood by both sides to be legal spies. (The Russians actually made the distinction between "legal" and "illegal" when it came to spies.) 'm not sure where you are coming from on this issue. If, like E, you are looking for racism -- well of course, there was racism. Japan is a race. America (Anglo-Saxon) is a race. Japan attacked America; ergo, it was a war of races. At the time, the Japanese were as contemptuous of the white race as the white race was of the yellow race. The Tripartite Pact did NOT require Germany to declare war on the US if Japan attacked first; it required a declaration only if a peaceful Japan were attacked. Yet Germany, out of the blue, declared war anyway. Why were German Americans not interned? There was no requirement for hostilities between the US and Germany. And you have yet to face the fact that the Japanese in Hawaii, where they should have presented the greatest threat, were NOT interned. Until that fact, and the non-internment of German Americans is faced and answered, you've got a problem.