To: jrhana who wrote (20079 ) 10/17/2004 1:16:32 PM From: russwinter Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 110194 I have a different twist on real estate. It has already exhibited Crack Up Boom behavior. The reason for this is that it's a poor man's version of the Crack Up Boom. And note what Mises said about inflations, they exhibit different pricing structures at different times, not always uniform especially at first. The system has been set up to allow people often without money to engage in a Giant Carry Trade. But it's still crack up boom behavior on the part of buyers, that recognizes real interest rates are far too low, given the true level of inflation, and that lending standards are far too easy. The issue going forward will be the behavior of the lenders into this Bubble. Will they now recognize (too late) that a Flucht in die Sachwerte is a threat, and therefore withhold credit extension on easy terms to people without money? This kind of loan is antithematic to sound banking, you just don't loan money to poor credits at big negative real rates. In normal, healthy conditions dominated by prudent private lenders, adjustments would have happened several years ago. However, although they have tagged along, private lenders aren't really the ones making most of these real estate loans. Mortgage finance has been preempted and socialized by merchantilistic Asian governments and central banks (and also US based GSEs) engaging in foolish policy. Prudent lending behavior is not a factor, it's all about currency manipulation. Therefore the answer to the real estate credit Bubble lies in two areas: 1. exhaustion and overspeculation leading to a normal market correction, and 2. a removal of some measure of easy credit terms, from some weak link in the Bubble financing chain. I think a version of #1 is going on right now, but in my book that's not enough to really cause a big C Collapse. Instead it causes a pause, a dip, that shakes up confidence and dampens the worst of the no hold bars speculation. However if the mother lode (Asian CBs, GSEs, and the tag along private lenders) to the behavior don't alter their egregious ultra-loose credit extension criteria and instead actually lower real rates, then the Bubble could endure. With the 10 year near 4.0% I have to conclude that is exactly what they are doing, at least right now. However if one of these parties were to back away from this game of chicken, then the Credit life blood of the Bubble will be diminished, and the rout will be underway. Your guess is as good as mine as to the who and when of the big "blink" in this foolish behavior? I actually think that "the blink" or a "Giant Asian Reflux" would cause capital flight, a credit revulsion panic and, crack up boom behavior out of USD and USD denominated script (such as bonds) and into other forms of value and assets that might maintain value relatively well against devalued Money (script). And I have an answer to Mish's inevitable "why would they blink?" question, and that's that you can't really preduct human behavior in a game of drug and alcohol induced road chicken, someone might just veer.