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To: GST who wrote (148132)	10/18/2004 10:19:17 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

1. As an aside, were you for Gulf War and if so, how do you square that with kerry using it as a template for the way in which we should go to war when he himself voted against it(Gulf war) while voting for this one????? 2. How do you tbink kerry can pay for all he has promised with his read my lips pledge of the second debate? Do you really believe he can raise the top rate to 100% without getting teresa pissed off??? 3. How do you think kerry would react if the republicans started slapping pictures of his somewhat naked daughter in cannes, nips showing and all? You think kerry might react more like the cheneys??? 4. Can anyone figure out for me how kerry is doing better in state polling but is clearly behind in the national ones?? What will kerry do if he loses the pop vote and wins the electoral college?? No question in my mind that he will ask his electors in such a case to cast their votes for bush. (g)

To: GST who wrote (148132)	10/20/2004 8:32:10 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

What do you mean by "foregoing our global leadership role"? Convincing many countries around the world to support our actions with money or their armed forces? Convincing a large part of the world to agree with or at least accept our actions even if they don't actually help? Getting UN resolutions passed? "our global leadership role" is not a very precise term. The invasion and occupation of Iraq is not US-led ??!?? This is not about the niceties of international institutions, it is about the needless deaths of Americans -- it is about the needless cost to Americans If you think the war was morally wrong or a bad idea for practical reasons and you wouldn't have had us go to war at all than I understand the idea of saving the "needless" deaths of Americans. But that has little to do with American leadership or lack of leadership its just being against the war. If your not anti-war than I don't see how any form of "global leadership" would have made much difference. France, Germany, China and Russia were not going to send divisions in to Iraq to do the dieing for us. The Iraqi resistance isn't going to give up if the forces backing the Iraqi government start wearing blue helmets instead of US Army (or Marine) standard issue. 100,000 UN resolutions could be passed, none of which would change the facts on the ground. We win or lose by what happens in Iraq, and by how much Americans support or oppose the war, not by what happens at UN headquarters or in Chirac's cabinet meetings, or by what Germany or Russia, or China think about the war. Tim