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To: unclewest who wrote (78734)	10/18/2004 5:19:17 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793882

<<I would have busted his nose too.>> You're too much into nose busting. Vary it a bit with a kick to the 'nads.

To: unclewest who wrote (78734)	10/18/2004 7:51:25 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793882

<If John Edwards discussed either of my adult daughter's sex lives at a nationally televised political event, I would have stepped across the stage, smiled, and broke his nose. > Wow! What a violent thug. What if he'd defended himself by smashing your head in? No wonder the USA gets into trouble, sorting things out with violence and threats of violence when somebody slights them. What if John Kerry was the one who said them, which is who it was that we are discussing, rather than John Edwards? Even if you'd previously brought her up to show what a great Dad you are? Cheney junior made a public issue of her lesbianism long ago, if my understanding is correct. Given the discussion and Republican positions, it's perfectly sensible to point out the personal hypocrisy of the ring-leaders. Vice President Cheney says that King George II is the boss and he defers to him on the matter. And King George II is toadying to the RRR on the matter to maintain their support. It's valid to point out all these things. The question was whether Bush or Kerry thought homosexuality was pre-natally developed. Bush said "Dunno". Kerry said he thinks so and ... glitch in Internet explorer ... BRB... < As it happens, the genetic nature of homosexuality was the very subject Kerry was discussing when he brought up Mary Cheney. Both candidates had been asked, "Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?" Bush had said he didn't know, and then, after some vague words about tolerance and dignity, affirmed his support for a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. Then Kerry spoke: We're all God's children, Bob. And I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as. I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice. I've met people who struggled with this for years, people who were in a marriage because they were living a sort of convention, and they struggled with it. And I've met wives who are supportive of their husbands or vice versa when they finally sort of broke out and allowed themselves to live who they were, who they felt God had made them. I think we have to respect that. > slate.msn.com Are you serious that you would have assaulted John Kerry after those comments? Think again UW, what you are saying. I'm sure you Americans will eventually get it too. It seems the logical outcome is for Mary Cheney to take up the offer and enjoy the National Stage and say what she thinks. What an opportunity for her to put John Kerry in his place and say that it was a choice she made and he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. John Kerry handed her a huge opportunity to say what she wants, which few of us enjoy. My little burblings to you in a backwater of cyberspace should enjoy such global coverage!! Mq

To: unclewest who wrote (78734)	10/19/2004 3:00:53 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793882

One thing some bloggers are pointing out is that most of the debate watchers were probably not aware that Mary Cheney was openly a lesbian. After all, it's a piece of political trivia, or was until the debates. Thus, they may be going on the assumption that Edwards and Kerry decided to out her in the debates, which would have been a cheap trick indeed. As for people who already knew that Mary Cheney was a lesbian, they can recognize what was supposed to be a clever bidirectional blow - reminding Bush's religious supporters that there is an open homosexual on Team Bush, and reminding Democrats of Cheney's supposed hypocrisy in supporting Bush's anti-gay marriage stances when his own daughter is a lesbian. Cokie Roberts came up with an excellent comparison today. She said in one of her father's campaigns for Congress in Louisiana, his opponent, Earl Long, would repeat in every town, "Now some people say that Hale Boggs is a Communist.", thus first airing that notion, "But Hale Boggs is not a Communist. He's a good Catholic boy." Bogg's religion was not hidden and he certainly wasn't ashamed of it. But Long mentioned it repeatedly because he thought it would hurt him. Just so, people know that Mary Cheney was singled out deliberately for mention, not once but twice, into order to hurt Bush. And they regard this use of a politician's daughter as a low blow.