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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (13134)	10/19/2004 10:53:25 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

You know, I'm really pissed that you haven't accused me of being a CIA agent yet. Aren't I as deserving as the rest?

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (13134)	10/21/2004 5:46:02 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

You probably know all this anyway- I think we've discussed it, but for those who haven't... The funny thing is it was all done before. There is a great program right now on BBC- called The Power of Nightmares. When the "evil empire" was the boogeyman for the neocons- they set out to convince Reagan that their view of the evil empire was the right one- using the doctrines of Strauss- who said liberalism led to nihilism (all that nasty personal freedom, don't you know) and that what the country needed was good myths to bring everyone together- but the scary part was that good ole' Leo didn't happen to think the myths needed to be true- and he thought that leaders perpetuating them didn't need to believe them for them to have their salutory effect - and who were his students? Why good old Wolfowitz, and Ledeen, and Cheney too, if I recall. The CIA at the time of Reagan was saying (quite rightly) that the soviets were imploding from their economic problems. The Neocons wanted a myth of an evil empire, developing weapons in violation opf the Kissinger treaties (they hated Kissinger the nasty pragmatist- who refused to see the world in terms of black and white). So they tried to sell the idea that the E£vil Empire was SO far ahead of us in weapons, we could not SEE the weapons, because they were so super secretly good. The CIA said bollocks- so the Neocons did an end run around the CIA (which claimed, again correctly, that all the evidence the neocons were using for their "theory" was black info produced by the CIA that the CIA knew was false, but which it had produced for propaganda. Did the Neocons care about the truth? No- of course not. Remember, according to Strauss truth doesn't matter...) So the CIA got Casey to use a report by a university professor, who was willing to say what they wanted Reagan to believe (and who said things that were ALL proven later to be untrue, and which the CIA said from the git go was untrue) to move Reagan to the position they wanted him to take. Hmmmm Sound familiar? Yes- it's the IRaq war. And funnily enough, the Neocons, by pushing Reagan in to allying us with Afghan rebels, against the soviets (evil, remember, evil soviets) made us allies with dear Bin Laden- who has, of course, been such a good person to be acquainted with. Funnily enough defeating the "evil" empire was something the Jihadists believed in too- but after the defeat of the USSR you had to great bunches of black and white thinkers (who both thought they brought down the USSR- and who were both wrong, since the USSR was really defeated by its own economy) looking for new people to hate- how convenient, you are thinking, right? How appropriate they would decided to turn each other into the boogeymen for their next myths. History is fascinating is it not? Ah, the funny ways actions play out through time- bring consequences our "noble" reasons for our actions never anticipated- that's probably a good reason to try for pragmatism, rather than using a means justifies the ends approach, as the dear little Neocons do- since the ends are often shrouded in mystery, we should probably bend our little human minds to making the means acceptable and safe- because that, at least, we can see in all its gory detail. End of rant :-)