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To: Michael Watkins who wrote (148757)10/22/2004 7:23:00 PM
From: dumbmoney  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
It's worth noting that Reagan was attacked by the neocon hardliners of the day for engaging with Gorbachev. Today's neocons want Reagan to be remembered only for his hawkish positions (e.g. aid to the Contras).



To: Michael Watkins who wrote (148757)10/23/2004 12:02:52 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
The Soviet Union was nowhere near economic collapse, despite consumer dissatisfaction. Consider this: even Gorbachev did not feel compelled to follow the Chinese model, which had a proven track record in creating economic growth.

Gorbachev did not rise due to internal politics, but because of the success of Reagan in rallying the West against Breshnev's adventurism. The Kremlim was desperate to mount a peace offensive to lead to another round of "detente".

Computers and telecommunicatons did not hit critical mass until the next decade, and even then have not led to the toppling of the Chinese Communist regime. It is not very relevant.

We engaged in a classic tit for tat strategy: countering the Soviets if they were aggressive, rewarding them if they were conciliatory. In addition, they knew we could outspend them on Star Wars, and they were already spending a much greater proportion of their GDP on the military than we were, so they were anxious to undermine our interest in SDI. This helped to keep Gorbachev in power after the Kremlin became disillusioned with reform, and by the time they were willing to act against him, the political situation had evolved too much, and Yeltsin was able to resist the Kremlin.

You are not even a good historian, much less a good conservative.



To: Michael Watkins who wrote (148757)10/24/2004 9:04:47 AM
From: Neocon  Respond to of 281500
 
Eastern Europe grateful for Reagan's work
VIENNA, Austria (AP) — Leaders, former dissidents and ordinary citizens across eastern Europe expressed gratitude to Ronald Reagan for helping to end decades of "evil empire" communism and Cold War-era oppression.


By J. Scott Applewhite, AP

Most of the region threw off communist rule in 1989, the year Reagan retired from a presidency marked by determination to loosen the grip of the Soviet Union through diplomacy, an intimidating space-based nuclear missile defense system and unrelenting appeals to the masses via Radio Free Europe.

As the world paused to remember the sacrifices of Allied troops 60 years ago on D-Day, leaders such as former Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban reflected on Reagan's influence in bringing democracy to those starved for it behind the Iron Curtain.

"Hungary and Europe do not forget Ronald Reagan's help and his support for the former communist countries," Orban, 41, told The Associated Press on Saturday.

In 1983, Reagan stunned the world by denouncing the Kremlin as an "evil empire" whose nuclear arsenal threatened the globe.

In 1987, in a speech at the Berlin Wall, he challenged Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev: "If you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization ... tear down this wall."

Throughout, the Reagan administration devoted manpower and cash to quietly expanding its contacts in East bloc countries such as Poland and Czechoslovakia.

"He is the one who allowed the breakup of the Soviet Union. May God rest his soul," said Bogdan Chireac, a foreign affairs analyst for the Romanian newspaper Adevarul.

Reagan appointed a deputy secretary of state to shuttle in and out of the region, and encouraged others to do the same. He poured millions of dollars into programming by Voice of America and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, using the airwaves to encourage fledgling pro-democracy movements like Poland's Solidarity.

"During his administration, U.S. citizens at all levels and of all walks of life — politicians, senators, journalists, academics — systematically and repeatedly were visiting Czechoslovakia and other communist countries, meeting the dissidents and the opposition," former Czech dissident Jiri Dienstbier told AP.

"Their open support was very important for our safety and for our position in society," he said.

As his presidency wound down, Reagan lashed out at communism in eastern Europe as "an artificial economic and political system, long imposed on these people against their will."

Within a year, the Berlin Wall had fallen.

"Mr. Reagan, along with Pope John Paul II, was one of the architects who dismantled communism in eastern Europe and stopped the expansion of the Soviet Union," said Ivo Samson, an analyst with the Slovak Foreign Policy Association.

"The fact that today Bulgaria is a member of NATO could happen only after the efforts of this great American president. His name will forever remain in history," said Petko Bocharov, a prominent Bulgarian journalist.

There were some bumps on the road to freedom.

In 1984, while testing a microphone, Reagan cracked a joke that didn't set well with the Soviets at the height of the nuclear arms race. "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes," Reagan quipped.

His administration was criticized by human rights activists for waiting until early 1989, the year the brutal Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu was toppled and executed, to withdraw that country's "most favored nation" trade status.

But his speeches, which so often sought to encourage the oppressed while taking aim at their oppressors, stirred a generation.

"For us, Reagan was important because we knew he was really anti-communist, emotionally anti-communist," said Zdenek Kosina, 65, a Czech computer specialist.

"For us, he was a symbol of the United States' genuine determination to bring communism to an end."

Laurentiu Ivan, 35, a customs officer in the Romanian capital, struggled to describe Reagan's legacy and then said: "It is due to him that we are free."

usatoday.com