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To: Suma who wrote (19305)10/23/2004 10:49:19 AM
From: Oeconomicus  Respond to of 90947
 
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To: Suma who wrote (19305)10/23/2004 10:52:17 AM
From: Oeconomicus  Respond to of 90947
 
Why do you assume we would care what a bunch of Buchananites have to say? They've made their isolationist, near-zenophobic view of the world clear and I feel safe saying that few here share that view. Perhaps Laz, but I'm pretty sure he still wouldn't sacrifice the country to Kerry.



To: Suma who wrote (19305)10/23/2004 9:06:22 PM
From: ManyMoose  Respond to of 90947
 
Risky, with a questionable outcome and a dangerous future. That's my take on that ridiculous idea.

Responding ToMessage #19307 from Suma at 10/23/2004 9:37:19 AM

O.K Give me your take on this



To: Suma who wrote (19305)10/24/2004 2:29:50 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 90947
 
I was not familiar with The American Conservative magazine,
so I did a little background searching on them. I see that
Pat Buchanan is a frequent author & they seem to be fairly
extreme in their politics. I'm unfamiliar with almost every
one of their other regular contributors to the magazine.
A common thread seems to be they are isolationists who are
against the Iraq war.

I don't know why you would want me to opine on stuff from a
group with extreme political beliefs. Perhaps it's because
they espouse some things you agree with that are also
contrary to Bush's stated beliefs.

Why don't you tell me what you honestly think about that
article & how accurate you found the author's assertions to
be.

Then I'll give you my take.



To: Suma who wrote (19305)10/24/2004 12:38:15 PM
From: Selectric II  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947
 
Big Oops!! I almost let your "error" go unchallenged. "They" do not recommend that we vote for Kerry. That one writer did. In fact, they MOCK Kerry's failed slogan, "The Real Deal."

I just heard Pat Buchanan, the Editor, on John McLaughlin live (taped for today).

Buchanan endorses Bush. The Magazine does NOT endorse Kerry. It endorses the Constitution Party candidate, Michael Anthony Peroutka. McLaughlin asked Buchanan about the magazine's endorsement, and he explained that it's an anti-war, small government magazine.

After hearing Buchanan, I went to the site to check it out. You ought to, too. Follow your own link, look at the top of the page, then click on the "Taki" piece.

Bush isn't the conservative that you guys try to paint him as.
The American Conservative Magazine even says so.

And Kerry does NOT have their endorsement. In fact, they're scathing of Kerry:

Unfortunately, this election does not offer traditional conservatives an easy or natural choice and has left our editors as split as our readership. In an effort to deepen our readers’ and our own understanding of the options before us, we’ve asked several of our editors and contributors to make “the conservative case” for their favored candidate. Their pieces, plus Taki’s column closing out this issue, constitute TAC’s endorsement. —The Editors

The Real Deal

By Taki

Having to choose between George W. Bush and John Kerry is like navigating between Scylla and Charybdis. On one side lurks the hoary beast of a decent man brought down by the neocons and their agenda of world domination. On the other churns the vortex of a man who is right on nothing and is willing to betray anyone—as he did his fellow soldiers, sailors, and Marines when he painted them as war criminals—in order to achieve recognition and high office. It is obviously a very difficult choice, so I will take the third way. But first, as my colleague Pat Buchanan states in his endorsement of the president, “Bush is right on taxes, judges, sovereignty, and values. Kerry is right on nothing.” So why not Bush? Why not do, as Pat says, what the pirate Jean Lafitte did when he asked to fight alongside his countrymen against the Redcoats in the Battle of New Orleans? I am, after all, a lifelong conservative Republican.

The answer is that the party of Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, and William F. Buckley Jr., a party motivated by libertarian impulses and deep convictions about personal freedoms, ain’t no more. Since when is a Leviathan federal government with a record deficit a conservative Republican one? How does a Bush administration supposedly committed to ideas like limited government, personal freedom, and a balanced budget explain a $450 billion budget deficit, the loss of American manufacturing jobs, and the promise of an amnesty for illegal aliens? How can the party of Robert A. Taft excuse the catastrophic war against Iraq and the idea that those who opposed it are traitors, an accusation Pat, Scott, and I were tarred with by Ariel Sharon’s agent David Frum?

The words of Gen. George C. Marshall, the Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army during World War II, come to mind: “I would be loath to hazard American lives for purely political purposes.” Yet Bush continues to heed men whose policies have radicalized the Mideast and converted much of the Islamic world into a giant recruiting station for Osama bin Laden. As Buchanan wrote recently, the Republican Party is now the party of big business, big government, and big war.

Tom DeLay is a disgrace, a brutal fund-raiser who resembles Robert Torricelli and Alfonse D’Amato, not what a conservative Republican House majority leader should be in my book. Once upon a time, conservatives believed in ideas and individualism, now it seems money and power are what counts. So despite his personal decency, I cannot in all honesty endorse Bush for a second term.

Kerry, of course, is far worse, a disaster in the making. Not only has he dismissed the president’s promises to enact amnesty for illegal aliens as insufficient, he has vowed to sign an amnesty within his first 100 days in office. Again, as Pat writes in his endorsement of the president, the people on Kerry’s side are all those I despise, the George Soroses, Barbra Streisands, and Michael Moores of this world. What unites the Kerry army is hate for George W. Bush. Marching under the Michael Moore banner, they have no message except to get rid of the 43rd president. If this is a policy, I’m Monica Lewinsky. Their self-righteous anger is negative and as dishonest as John Kerry’s false populism. Signing the Kyoto Protocol and adhering to the rules of the International Criminal Court will only weaken America and yield national sovereignty.

Which brings me to my choice, Michael Anthony Peroutka. Yes, I know, it sounds like a wasted vote, but is it? He is the nominee of a small third party called the Constitution Party. The point of voting for Peroutka is to help create an alternative. After all, there has to be a start somewhere and adhering to the Constitution as Peroutka advocates is a pretty good way to begin.

Peroutka defines his party as a Christian one dedicated to preserving the foundations on which the American Republic was based. He is predictably against abortion and gay marriage. Peroutka is also opposed to mass immigration, and he strongly supports national sovereignty. As Samuel Francis has written, Peroutka “is a charming and decent man of deep convictions and principle, has a ready grasp of the principles he supports and knows how to explain them.”

As it happens, National Review was founded 50 years ago next year. If anything, it looked like a quixotic effort at its birth. Yet 25 years later, Bill Buckley and his crew had managed to sweep Ronald Reagan into office. Peroutka’s presidential bid looks just as idealistic, perhaps even more so. What is a conservative Republican to do except send a message and, in the words of Buckley, yell “Stop” to runaway government?

Without big ideas, elections become about personalities—popularity contests, nothing more. Both major candidates are filching each others’ rhetoric and pandering. All that matters is the sell, not the content. Kerry is an opportunist sans pareil, Bush a man under the wrong influence. Vote for the real deal, Michael Anthony Peroutka.

November 8, 2004 issue
Copyright © 2004 The American Conservative