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To: SOROS who wrote (20559)	10/23/2004 4:49:23 PM
From: orkrious	Respond to of 110194

implicate the US gov't in 911 I haven't read enough of the book to reach a conclusion on this, but I don't think it can be ruled out. With compartmentalization, I am sure there is a lot that goes on in the gov't where the individuals involved don't realize the big picture, and only a select few know what's going on. It's a stretch to think they could have condoned or encouraged 9/11, but the author is pretty good with his facts, so I'll reserve judgement until I've finished the book. regardless, the days of cheap energy are gone forever, and it's clear that society will be changed dramatically as our supplies diminish.

To: SOROS who wrote (20559)	10/24/2004 2:15:45 PM
From: glenn_a	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 110194

Hi SOROS. Regarding U.S. government complicity in 9-11, and the lack of allegations by "credible" commentators in the official press ... My view on this is that one really needs to appreciate the degree to which mainstream media is under the virtual control of the same elites that dominate in the political and financial/economic establishments. Probably the two primary overt consensus building bodies for the American elites (or Establishment) have been the Council of Foreign Relations and (since the early 1970's) the Trilateral Commission. To get a sense of how much power is centralized in these bodies, have a look at a CFR/Trilateral membership roster from the early 1990's by societal affiliation (i.e. Political establishment, Judiciary, Finance, Labor, Military, Media, Energy, Industry, & Education): truedemocracy.net [Note: Membership affiliation with the Bilderbergs is also indicated.] For more information on the Bilderbergs, please see bilderberg.org . Bodies such as the CFR and the Trilateral Commissions to my understanding are absolutely not where "conspiracies" are hatched. Rather, they are primarily for building policy consensus, and set the "bounds" in which "legitimate" policy options are discussed. Once the "boundaries" for official policy and public debate are established, there would appear to be extreme pressure applied to propaganda and media organs to restrict public debate to "legitimate" discussion of the issues - i.e. what emerges as "legitimate" bounds for policy debate precisely from elite policy bodies such as the CFR and TC. Indeed, this exercise is precisely what Noam Chomsky refers to as the "manufacturing" of consent. BTW, there is a term for what happens when a mainstream journalist veers too far off course of "legitimate" political analysis - it's called "entering the buzzsaw". For a wonderful book on the experience of mainstream journalist who have had this experienced of being disenfranchised by their employers/peers when they have dug to deep, please see "Into the Buzzsaw - Leading Journalists Expose the Myth of a Free Press, available at the following link: amazon.com (Note the mere 44 reviews averaging 5 stars on Amazon.) For a particularly stunning account of a concerted Establishment Media attack to discredit an extraordinary story exposing U.S. Government complicity smuggling cocaine into the inner cities of L.A. and San Francisco in the early 1980's (to fund the Contras when congressional money dried up for a time), please see Gary Webb's remarkable story in Dark Alliance : The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion, available at the following link: amazon.com So to address your comment SOROS, "yet how can we take that seriously if he also espouses this 911 conspiracy stuff and NO ONE credible will come forward to back it up", I would reply as follows: 1 - To my mind, many, many, highly-informed and credible people question the official 9-11 narrative. But don't look for the mainstream media as your source of credibility. I can't emphasize this point strongly enough. It would be like trusting the BLS for energy inflation statistics. :( 2 - If the U.S. Government was complicit in 9-11, the operation would have been conducted as a classic "black op". Such an operation would be highly compartmentalized, and a VERY FEW persons would have a total view of the big picture (though of course, many would smell a rat from their immediate experience, and it is partly from this constituency that Mike Rupert, 9-11 families, and 9-11 researchers seek to extract their exculpatory evidence. If you find the above uncomfortable, and even unbelievable, I completely understand. If you are inspired to inquire further, however, you couldn't do much better that Ruppert's book. Best wishes, Glenn