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To: SOROS who wrote (20581)	10/24/2004 11:05:16 PM
From: TH	Respond to of 110194

SOROS, As in my post to Glenn, I'm going to need some hard evidence. A smoking gun. My first thought was the same as Ork's, where did the plane go if not into the Pentagon? This kind of thing does not win me over. "O'Brien described her impression of the projectile that she tracked: "The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane. You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe" Yes, its unsafe, as a very unskilled terrorist pilot was at the controls. As for the speed of the plane/projectile from the ground, well it would be very hard to follow a plane at that speed at the treetop level. Like trying to read the side of the truck moving 80 MPH while you stood on the edge of the highway. And this. "The second frame differs from the other four in a number of ways: it is brighter, shifted slightly to the left, and obscured in both upper corners. The second frame also has the same time stamp, 17:37:19, as the first frame, though it obviously wasn't taken at the same time." Anyone with a basic understanding of photography can explain this. My guess is that in the millisecond before that second frame, the cameras aperture closed to adjust for the flash from the explosion and was overshot when it reopened when the intensity of the light diminished. Is that not a very large object in frame five? About the size of the 757. Certainly it is not an F-15 or a drone. No, its much too big. I do agree that the photos showing the entry point are interesting. I have no explanation for this this. Maybe the right wing hit first and folded over and was dragged into the hole made by the fuselage. The entry for the left wing appears slightly smaller than it should be, but its still sufficient to convince me that there was some part of wing in contact with that section of the building. "Another curious feature of the images can be observed by focusing your attention on the upper left corner of each frame -- the area where it looks like Bob Guccione snuck by and spread a little Vaseline on the camera lens. As can be clearly seen, the pattern of condensation drops (or whatever they are) is quite consistent in frames #1, #4, and #5, but much different in frames #2 and #3, as though the drops began to disperse and then inexplicably returned to their original configuration" No, that is called flare. I have used a tripod and shot multiple images without movement and within a minute of each other. Still my multiple images were different, because the sun reflected the light a little differently and my lens recorded this difference. All the statements regarding no identifiable aircraft parts, but identifiable human remains are a concern. This does not make any sense to me. So on these statements alone, I would be curious for more information. I am keeping an open mind on this topic. Thanks TH

To: SOROS who wrote (20581)	10/25/2004 3:00:19 AM
From: mishedlo	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 110194

Soros it is late and I did not bother reading that article. If it is another one of those BS articles that says a plane did not crash into the pentagon and it was a missile or some other such bullshit I will state flat out that the article is bullshit. Read this: abovetopsecret.com There is ZERO doubt that a plane flew into the pentagon Now, as for anything else: did Bush allow it Did Israel know in advance Was Bush warned and failed to act on purpose could we have shot down those planes etc etc etc I am open to debate As to BS about a plane NOT flying into the pentagon, I say it is pure 100% bullshit Mish