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To: LindyBill who wrote (80598)10/25/2004 3:00:40 PM
From: SBHX  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793914
 
If we would only pay attention, there's always a lot history can teach us at times of great turmoil. But the fact is, humans can fear the unknown and can be cautious when we should bold, and we can be too audacious and be bold when we can be cautious.

Patton observed that :
Had the Germans known that the Allies were going to take Berlin, the city might have fallen after brief resistance in the manner that German strongpoints had prior in the west. What later became West Germany would have extended to Berlin, the allies would probably have occupied Czechoslovakia where the Third Army finished the war, and we might not have had to make later concessions to Stalin to save Austria and Greece.

I guess we can judge that this scenario is highly plausible. If so, under such an environment, what shape and form would the Iron Curtain have taken. Would the Cold War be shorter?

Of course, it is entirely possible that without empowerment of the masses through information technology today, and without the sufficient checks and balances that this provides, a western dominated world may not have as much attention to individual liberty as it does today.

Still the thought that the West screwed up badly and created the Iron Curtain problem is a compelling argument, because no matter how good it looks, it can always be better.

Just like the flipside of that argument is : no matter how bad it got, it can always be much much worse.



To: LindyBill who wrote (80598)10/25/2004 11:03:05 PM
From: Captain Jack  Respond to of 793914
 
<<"Great Speech!

What Would Patton Say About the Present War?">>

IF GENERAL PATTON WERE PRESIDENT

If General George Patton were alive and President of the USA, this would be his Fireside Speech:

My fellow Americans, as you all know the defeat of Iraq's regime has been completed.

Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission
in Iraq is complete. This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of
all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It
is now time to begin the reckoning.

Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which
have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short: The United
Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, Norway and Poland are some of the
countries listed there.

The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world's
nations are on that list. My press sec! retary will be distributing copies of
both lists later this evening.

Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those
nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the
first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.The
American people are no longer going to pour money into third world hell-holes and
watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic?
Call France.

In the future, together with Congress, I will work to cut taxes and solve
some local problems.

On that note, a word to terrorist organizations.
Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends
from the face of the earth.

Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize?
Try France, or maybe China.

I'm ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany,
and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring from NATO
as well. Bon chance, mes amis.

I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN
diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid tickets to
sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care
about whatever treaty pertains to this. Pay your tickets tomorrow or watch your
precious Benzes, Beamers, and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop
shops in the world. I love New York.

A special note to our neighbors.Canada is on List 2. Since we are going to be
seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us
off for a change. Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire
corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I have a couple of extra tank
and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I'm gonna put 'em? Yep,
border security. So start doing something with your oil.

Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty--starting now.

It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some
will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying darn tootin'. Nearly
a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only
earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time
to cut taxes here because we will not be spending on other people's problems.

To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe you.

To the nations on List 2, a final thought. Drop dead.
God bless America.

Thank you and good night