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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (148983)	10/25/2004 5:50:51 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The bottom line is that they didn't lie, they had some bad intelligence - along with the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD. Saddam's own cabinet thought he had WMDs! Even Ken Pollack, whose authorship of an influential pro-war book renders him understandably reluctant to admit an error, did so yesterday in the NYT Magazine. And the reason he made it, you guessed it right, is bad intelligence. I'd like to hear how its the US's fault that Israel had it wrong, that Germany had it wrong, that the Brits had it wrong, the Russians, too, ad nauseam. But even so, the Daulfer report suggests something you were aware of a long time ago, namely, that there were tantalizing bits of evidence suggesting that there was a transfer of WMD from Iraq to Syria. I guess we were supposed to take the word of a homicidal maniac, swallow it whole.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (148983)	10/25/2004 5:52:55 PM
From: SirWalterRalegh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"The bottom line is that they didn't lie, they had some bad intelligence - along with the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD. Saddam's own cabinet thought he had WMDs!" Nadine(aka Mother Teresa) The intelligence WAS correct and remains correct.So far the WMD's have only been found in small quantities e.g. sarin tipped missiles. Other WMD's have been shipped to Syria, Iran et al during the build up to OIF. Once a user of WMD ( gassing the Kurds) always a user of WMD. QED!!!!!! RB

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (148983)	10/25/2004 6:03:33 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

re"waiting for you to find the one truth teller who claimed pre 2003 that Saddam had no WMDs." Hans Blitz and the UN inspectors....also Scott Ritter, US inspector. And bear in mind that the rest of the world was not sufficiently convinced to join us in the war. re: aluminum tubes....the US nuke experts told the Bushies the tubes were not intended for nor good for nuclear applications. They chose instead to believe a low level relatively inexperienced engineer who thought the way they wanted to think. As a result, Bush et al lied.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (148983)	10/25/2004 6:45:25 PM
From: dumbmoney	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 281500

It is absolutely false that everyone thought Iraq had "WMD". What is true is that most people thought Iraq MIGHT have some residual chemical weapons. There is no equivalence between Bush saying "DEFINITELY" and most others saying "MAYBE". Nor was there agreement on key points: whether Iraq was developing a nuclear bomb, and more generally whether Iraq was a "gathering" threat as Bush claimed. The international consensus was that Iraq was not a gathering threat; rather, that Iraq was weak and getting weaker. The "bad intel" was the excuse for war, not the reason for it.