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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (149023)	10/25/2004 10:57:16 PM
From: Win Smith	Respond to of 281500

In fact? The last "in fact" bald assertion you made was the alleged 2002 French missiles, which you graciously backed down on after declaring the misinformation you were asserting as fact was all somebody else's fault. Somehow, "in fact" declarations from dedicated war propagandists don't quite cut it any more. Except among the true believers, of course.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (149023)	10/25/2004 11:10:04 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It was widely reported during the early days of the war that huge caches of weapons and ammunition were found and were not being protected because there were not enough troops to do it. Some caches, I recall, were reported to cover several square miles. You will also recall that nothing was done to stop looting except for the oil ministry....

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (149023)	10/26/2004 7:13:16 AM
From: Michael Watkins	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

This high explosives issue debate is masking another issue. But first, a recap of the facts: - IAEA knew about the explosives. It was inventoried and locked behind seals. Last spot check is Dec 2002 - IAEA / UN are ordered out of Iraq by US, not by Iraq - IAEA warns about these materials repeatedly in early 2003 pre war - US (oops, coalition of the willing) goes to war in Iraq - depot not guarded - remember, IAEA has been kicked out of Iraq - Neither the US nor the provisional Iraqi government notify IAEA about the state of previously monitored items - IAEA puts pressure designed to prod US/Iraqi into action. Nothing happens. - The IAEA has to resort to obtaining commercial satellite photos to keep its surveillance up. - IAEA again puts pressure designed to prod US/Iraqi into action. - Iraqi minister finally confirms that everything is missing. - Now the world knows that an amount of high explosive material, weighing approximately the same amount as the Statue of Liberty, has "vanished". Can you spot the hidden issue? HINT: Why is the IAEA not getting cooperation from the US? Think about it... IAEA warns - nothing happens. Invasion happens - no IAEA specific intel is passed back to them. The IAEA - charged with preventing proliferation of nuclear materials from states forbidden to possess such things - gets nothing in the way of communication or intel for months. This isn't merely a case of not posting guards at the - well known - Al Qaqaa site. Its not just what was taken that should alarm people but also the fact that the US/Iraqi are purposefully obstructing the IAEA. ANSWER: One can only imagine that the theft of these materials was known long before the Iraqi minister "reported" it - a fact embarrassing to the US administration. One also has to wonder why the IAEA was kept out of country and in the dark for so many months.