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To: epicure who wrote (13327)	10/26/2004 5:35:39 AM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Ah the one last hurrah! before they become as obsolete as their tartan plaid!

To: epicure who wrote (13327)	10/26/2004 5:55:34 AM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Scotland,Wales and both Irelands are traditionally really pissed with Westminster, as is little Malta. However, they all decided to give Westminster another chance in the 1990s. In terms of war, the funny thing is that the tories always have pushed out the labour into war, in front of the cannons, but now it is kind of a total funny mess, Blair pushing his own supporters in front of the cannons, and the tories trying to survive the Thatcher-Falkland dilemma, some kind of peace-doves. As regular promising cannon fudder, what would you trust?? Those who traditionally did the pushing, or those who now push?? Ilmarinen That is, the tories have been the traditional send-them-(labourers)-to-war-party, while labour has provided that meat and now it is kind of the opposite, although the same thing, if one skips Blair. Plus the fact that the Tories, without the Iraq war, would not exist anymore (that is, they made themselves so funny after Falkland, that only Blair gave them a chance to survive) Funny two-party systems... PS Ask about the Jenkins committee PPS Anyway, there is always a good time for pushing around some from Scotland, Wales, both Irelands and even little Malta

To: epicure who wrote (13327)	10/26/2004 6:13:21 AM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 20773

<missing the humor> There was little humour during the earlier WWs, on the issue of who fed what to the cannons. An old issue is actually that humour was the one and only solution, diversion(?) for all that stuff of funny, tragic 1000 years. That is, the habit of placing "them-there" in "harms-way"(US expression, cannon fodder) is an old english tradition. Same thing with the (hero) propaganda needed to offset that, that is why Orwell was a true englishman, as well as Adam Smith came to the conclusion that it was so stupid to pay licenses to London, and Swift did his Gulliverian travels to funny two-party systems. Plus Tarzan and Jane. PS Only a lot of humour can handle all that painful stuff.. PPS Freud, he who finally connected pain and humour, yes, buried in UK??

To: epicure who wrote (13327)	10/26/2004 6:40:10 AM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 20773

Btw, most of the more serious issues go back to - colonialism in the 1800s - funny common law and lands after the 1066. This includes both Germany and Russia of the early 1900s, or late 1800s, as well as back to the 1200s. (when slavery was made illegal in scandinavia) That is why UK is busily "devolving" some 600 years of going in the wrong direction (the Irish says it is 600years). The rest has mainly only some 80-120 really bad years to sort out. PS However, soon we, the norwegians, danes and russians will party, and maybe the swedes will be allowed too, 1809 (when the swedes finally gave up all colonial, imperial aspirations, handed over us to the russians) PPS We then handled WW1 and WW2 for them. PPPS While the Tories were feeding the cannons. PPPPS Poland is a much more complex issue, the reason it is so important for EU. PPPPPS Turkey, next bus-stop. We are all going back to the medieval times (just like Bush, but in a different ways) .. Ouch.. forgot Spain...and Italy, plus Greece vitaminic.com Drink up your chocolate, pay your debts or at least make an attempt..