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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (149428)	10/27/2004 4:58:05 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

" The choice is whether you place a higher value on a dead terrorist than you do on the innocent lives of those near him. If it were possible that your children would be standing in that targeted crowd would you still make the same choice, or is it easier if it's "them" and not "us" that loses lives?" No the choice is whether you place a higher value on the folks near him than you do your own innocents who have been targeted by terrorists. And dont complicate things with hypotheticals about my children being there. My children were at the WTC in a symbolic sense. I will not forget that.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (149428)	10/27/2004 5:04:56 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The cycle of violence trope is silly. Eventually, in most conflicts, someone wins. And it is not just the one with the greater firepower, it is the one who cares the most about the outcome, and has the fortitude to endure, assuming that he is not simply crushed. We cannot allow those who are willing to kill to dictate how the rest of us live. Sometimes you have to fight to uphold rights or principles. It is best if the conflict is clean, and does not involve collateral damage, but that cannot be guaranteed, and therefore will have to be part of the calculus of how to respond to provocation. But at some point, on some terms, we may have to accept collateral damage.