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To: epicure who wrote (13386)	10/28/2004 10:04:22 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

you don't shack up with people who want you dead- People do shack up with idealogical enemies. The Hitler-Stalin pact comes to mind as a prominent example. The alliance between the crusaders of Acre and the Mamelukes against the Mongols is another. In the mideast also, people frequently ally with idealogical and religious enemies against a perceived greater enemy. And they just as frequently stab idealogical allies in the back. A few examples off the top of my head. Iran, a fundamentalist Muslim state, cooperates quite well with Syria, ruled by a dictorial family which belongs to both the Baath party and a heretical Islamic sect, the Alawites. meib.org Iran also quietly cooperates with and aids terror groups of the Sunni persuasion despite the animosity between Shiite and Sunni fundamentalists. globalsecurity.org Syria, in turn, also cooperates with the Saudi ruling family despite their religious differences. meib.org Sudan, ruled by a fundamentalist gov't, once harbored Al Qaida but later the same gov't turned against them and offered to cooperate with the US against them. Osama bin Ladin turned against the ruling family of Saudi Arabia for allying with the US when Saddam threatened the country. Nevertheless, the Saudi gov't and AQ made an effective truce and cooperative relationship which lasted until last year. I could go on and on - the mideast and human history shows many examples of "enemies" allying, "allies" betraying one another, and apparent rigid fundamentalist fanatics making practical calculated alliances with "secularists", heretics, and even those of other religions all together. All in all, the viewpoint below is way too rigid and is IMO a good example of forming and maintaining rigid mental "boxes" to justify a preconceived opinion: and that was why Saddam couldn't, and NEVER could, get in to bed with Al Q. They want rulers top be subservient to the Koran

To: epicure who wrote (13386)	10/28/2004 10:39:21 PM
From: tsigprofit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

Just a few days now until probably the biggest election in the last half century. People we have a clear choice on November 2nd. George Bush is not a moderate, or conservative Republican like Eisenhower or even Nixon. He is a dangerous man, out of touch with reality, who must be stopped. He has the worst economic record in 75 years. He is the first President since Hoover to see a decline in jobs in the US. We would need at least 9 MILLION more jobs since he took office just to keep up with our population growth - and to stay EVEN. He is a disaster of epic proportions - who has damaged the US in my opinion more than Osama could do on 9/11 - and we have let him. His misadventure in Iraq has weakened the US, and cost us serious support of our Allies, which we need in this dangerous world. If you care about this country, and the future of the USA, get off your butts on November 2nd, and vote for John Kerry - who can return the US to a positive position of power and respect that we had in the 1990s. Don't let the conservatives tell you that you are LIBERAL - throw it back in their damned faces - and don't let them back you down. Moderates and liberals have let them run their mouths too long already without a response. I say time to back them down - and take back this damned country for the people of the US. WE ARE THE PEOPLE - now vote John Kerry - and help get others of like minds to the polls to do the same.