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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (64043)10/29/2004 3:56:44 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Message 20704270



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (64043)10/29/2004 4:14:06 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME GOOD JOKES ABOUT ARNOLD BECAUSE HE LIKES TO RIDICULE HIS OPPONENT <G>...HERE'S A FEW:

"I HEAR BUSH IS STILL GROPING AROUND FOR VOTES IN OHIO"

"ARNOLD MAY BE BACK, BUT GEORGE BUSH WON'T"

"VOTE HOPE, NOT GROPE"

Or How about this...

AHHNOLD SPEAKS IN OHIO:

"I'm here to support the girlie man!"



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (64043)10/29/2004 9:51:20 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Osama's Election Editorial
____________________________________

By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Friday 29 October 2004
truthout.org

So the bastard is still alive.

He isn't dead of kidney failure or rotting in a cave somewhere in the Hindu Kush. He wasn't smoked out of his hole, and he in no way appeared to be on the run. The images broadcast on every American television station in the last few hours showed a man apparently in good health, clothed in traditional white and wrapped in a golden robe. His hands were steady and his voice was clear. From all appearances, Osama bin Laden is tanned, rested and ready.

In as much as it is possible for a wanted mass murderer to have a conversation with the American public, this is what we are seeing tonight. Osama bin Laden directed his message not at the Muslim world, not at the American government, but at the people gearing up to vote for a President on Tuesday. "You American people, my speech to you is the best way to avoid another conflict about the war and its reasons and results," said bin Laden. A lot of people thought the capture of bin Laden would be the 'October Surprise' to affect the vote. Instead, we got, hard as it is to believe, an election editorial from Osama, who remains alive and free. As far as October surprises go, this one is completely off-the-grid strange.

For the first time, bin Laden openly took responsibility for the attacks of September 11. "We fought you because we are free...and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security, we undermine yours," he said. "To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster. I tell you: Security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security."

Bin Laden attempted to explain his reasons for the 9/11 attacks, stating that the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 lit his homicidal fuse. "I will tell you the reasons behind these incidents," he said. "I will be honest with you on the moment when the decision was taken. We never thought of hitting the towers. But after we were so fed up, and we saw the oppression of the American-Israeli coalition on our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind and the incidents that really touched me directly goes back to 1982:. When the US permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon with the assistance of the 6th fleet. In these hard moments, it occurred to me so many meanings I can't explain, but it resulted in a general feeling of rejecting oppression, and gave me a hard determination to punish the oppressors. While I was looking at the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it came to my mind to punish the oppressor the same way and destroy towers in the U.S. to get a taste of what they tasted, and quit killing our children and women."

While candidates Bush and Kerry were careful to avoid using the video as a club to batter each other, their surrogates have already taken to the airwaves to spin this event for one or the other. At first blush, it is difficult to imagine how bin Laden's entrance into this voting season helps the election prospects of Mr. Bush. The videotape was first broadcast by the al Jazeera network, which is based out of Qatar. According to CNN, the U.S. Ambassador to Qatar attempted to stop Al Jazeera from broadcasting the tape. That, as much as the actual content of the tape, speaks to how nervous the re-appearance of bin Laden makes the Bush administration.

Beyond the demonstrable fact that Mr. Wanted-Dead-Or-Alive is still upright and breathing, there is the scathing mockery bin Laden leveled at Bush, along with a back-handed thank-you to Bush for giving the 9/11 terrorists the time they needed to complete the attack. "We never thought that the high commander of the U.S. armies would leave 50,000 of his citizens in both towers to face the horrors alone," bin Laden said. "It appeared to him that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God."

Once again, Bush's comments from March of 2002 rise again with the impact of a gut-punch. "So I don't know where he is," said Bush of bin Laden at the time. "Nor - you know, I just don't spend that much time on him really, to be honest with you. I... I truly am not that concerned about him." The fellow who orchestrated the massacre of 3,000 people, the fellow whom Bush said he wasn't concerned about, thanked Bush for giving him the time necessary to complete his wretched act. In the parlance of American youth, Bush got punked by the top terrorist on national television.

An issue which has already been pressing on this campaign season now resonates with new urgency. For the last several days, the Bush administration has been wrestling with the fact that nearly 400 tons of high explosives - the same kind of explosives used to bring down Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie, the same kind of explosives used to blow a hole in the USS Cole - walked away from a storage bunker in Iraq.

Videotape from a Minnesota news station, shot by embedded reporters during the invasion of Iraq, showed members of the 101st Airborne cutting the locks on the place. No troops stayed to guard the well-known bunker, however, because such duty was not a priority of Bush administration officials handing out marching orders to the troops. Bush's own weapons inspector, David Kay, was appalled at what he saw on the Minnesota news station's footage of the opening of the bunker. "When you break into it, you own it," said Kay. "It's your responsibility to secure it."

Thanks to the disastrous Iraq invasion, and the continuing debacle that is the occupation, Iraq is now a place where al Qaeda terrorists may operate freely. How much of the missing explosives in question have fallen into the hands of bin Laden loyalists? How much of the thousands of tons of explosives and weaponry that went similarly unguarded by American forces all across Iraq have likewise found their way into al Qaeda hands? The re-emergence of Osama bin Laden makes these questions all the more pressing.

How all of this will shake out among the American electorate remains to be seen. Perhaps the American people, upon seeing a healthy bin Laden again on their televisions, will be reminded of Bush's failure to capture or kill him and punish Bush at the polls. Perhaps they will be angered that bin Laden dared to throw his two bloody cents into the political conversation and side with Bush over Kerry. Perhaps the only absolute conclusion to draw from all this is the one that almost certainly occurred to every American who tuned into the broadcast.

The bastard is still alive.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (64043)10/29/2004 9:57:04 PM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
The Other Shoe Drops: Bin Laden Weighs in

___________________________

By Juan Cole*
Saturday, October 30, 2004
juancole.com

It is interesting that Usamah Bin Laden explicitly said that it doesn't matter to al-Qaeda whether Bush or Kerry is president. Only the degree to which the US gives "liberty" to the Muslim world matters to al-Qaeda, he says. [I'll have things to say about this diction below, but it is bizarre that a mass murderer who helped run the Taliban state is talking about "liberty."]

Does the appearance of the video help or hurt Bush? It is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it is a painful reminder that Bush dropped the ball, left the fight against al-Qaeda half-finished, and ran off to the Iraq quagmire, so that Bin Laden is still at large 3 years after he killed 3000 Americans and hit the Pentagon itself. That can't be good for Bush. On the other hand, because so many Americans confuse Bush's swagger and aggressive instincts with being "strong on terrorism," any big reminder that al-Qaeda is out there could actually help W. It shouldn't, but it may well.

He begins by addressing the US public directly [this passage is translated by J. Cole]:

On the reason for the war, addressing the US public, Bin Laden says, "I say to you that security it an important pillar of human life, and that free persons do not neglect their own security, contrary to the allegations of Bush that we despise liberty. He should let us know why we did not strike at Sweden, for instance [if that were true]. It is well know that those who despise liberty do not possess lofty-minded souls like the 19, God bless them. We only waged battle with you because we are free persons, and we cannot sleep knowing that injustice is being done. We want to regain freedom for our nation. As you damage our security, we will damage yours."

Some of the rest of the statement is given by The Associated Press:

He said he was first inspired to attack the United States by the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon in which towers and buildings in Beirut were destroyed in the siege of the capital.

``While I was looking at these destroyed towers in Lebanon, it sparked in my mind that the tyrant should be punished with the same and that we should destroy towers in America, so that it tastes what we taste and would be deterred from killing our children and women,'' he said.

``God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind,'' he said.

Bin Laden suggested Bush was slow to react to the Sept. 11 attacks, giving the hijackers more time than they expected. At the time of the attacks, the president was listening to schoolchildren in Florida reading a book.

``It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone,'' he said, referring to the number of people who worked at the World Trade Center.

``It appeared to him (Bush) that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God,'' he said.

In planning the attacks, bin Laden said he told Mohammed Atta, one of the hijackers, that the strikes had to be carried out "within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration noticed."

Bin Laden has repeatedly said that one of the reasons he hit the US was over the Israeli attacks on the Palestinians. Bin Laden has cared deeply about Palestine since his youth. His partner in Peshawar at the Office of Services for 6 years when he was funding the Mujahidin was Abdullah Azzam, a prominent Palestinian Muslim fundamentalist. When he came back to Jiddah from Pakistan after the Soviets withdrew, Bin Laden gave a guest sermon at the local mosque in which he bitterly criticized Israeli actions during the first Intifadah. He declared war on the Zionists and the Crusaders, and has constantly complained about the Occupation of the Three Holy Cities, which are Mecca, Medinah and Jerusalem. Because he did not use traditional Palestianian nationalist language, it has been possible for some to miss his commitment to the Palestine issue. The 9/11 report notes that he wanted to move the attack up from September to April of 2001 to punish the Israelis for actions against Palestinians. He thought of himself as attacking the US for backing Israel and Israeli aggression and seems to be annoyed at the success of the Bush administration in painting him as a nihilist.

The talk about being "free persons" (ahrar) and fighting for "liberty" (hurriyyah) for the Muslim "nation" (ummah) seems to me a departure. The word "hurriyyah" or freedom has no classical Arabic or Koranic resonances and I don't think it has played a big role in his previous statements.

I wonder if Bin Laden has heard from the field that his association with the authoritarian Taliban has damaged recruitment in the Arab world and Iraq, where most people want an end to dictatorship and do not want to replace their secular despots with a religious one. The elections in Pakistan (fall 2002) and Afghanistan went better than he would have wanted, and may have put pressure on him. He may now be reconfiguring the rhetoric of al-Qaeda, at least, to represent it as on the side of political liberty. I am not saying this is sincere or might succeed; both seem to me highly unlikely. I am saying that it is interesting that Bin Laden now seems to feel the need to appeal to this language. In a way, it may be one of the few victories American neo-Wilsonianism has won, to push Bin Laden to use this kind of language. I doubt it amounts to much.

posted by Juan @ 10/30/2004 06:00:45 AM

*Juan Cole is Professor of History at the University of Michigan



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (64043)10/31/2004 2:12:33 AM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
The dismal failure of central bank monetary policy

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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (64043)10/31/2004 2:36:30 AM
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Wolverines win triple-OT thriller, 45-37

By JOHN ELIGON and JEMELE HILL
DETROIT FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITERS
Saturday, October 30, 2004
freep.com

ANN ARBOR -- Michigan State often complains that Michigan doesn’t respect the rivalry -- especially when the games are played in Ann Arbor.

Well, the Spartans finally might have won the Wolverines’ respect. But MSU still hasn’t won a game at Michigan Stadium since 1990.

MSU outplayed U-M for three-and-a-half quarters before the Wolverines scored 17 unanswered points late in the fourth and then won, 45-37, in triple overtime.

It was the Wolverines’ third straight victory over the Spartans and their seventh in a row at home. This was the first time a game between these teams had gone to overtime.

In the third overtime, Michigan quarterback Chad Henne hit Braylon Edwards on a crossing pattern on third-and-nine, and the senior took it 24 yards for a touchdown. Henne completed a pass to tight end Tim Massquoi for the two-point conversion and the final score.

The Spartans had a chance to answer, but quarterback Damon Dowdell’s pass on fourth down flew over the head of wideout Aaron Alexander.

"You got to love it when you’re on the edge," said U-M linebacker LaMarr Woodley. "We were on the edge and we came out here and we won. It’s real nice to beat Michigan State. They came in here, they were talking and they didn’t back it up."

For most of the game, the Spartans (4-4 overall, 3-2 Big Ten) did back it up. The Spartans ground game absolutely shredded the Wolverines, piling up 368 yards on the nation’s No. 3 rush defense.

Tailback DeAndra Cobb finished with a career-high 205 yards, and he slid through U-M’s defense for lengthy touchdown runs of 72 and 64 yards.

"They won it and we didn’t make the plays to win it," said coach John L. Smith, who is 0-2 against the Wolverines. "We played a good football team and we played well, at times. We made some mistakes, but for the most part, we controlled the football game. When it came time to win it at the end, they had a lot of momentum going there and they made some big-time plays."

After Cobb’s 64-yard score on a draw play, the Spartans were ahead, 27-10, and just 8:43 separated them from one of their most dominating wins ever over U-M.

But the Wolverines erased that possibility in a span of 3:46. U-M kicker Garrett Rivas’ reduced MSU’s lead to 27-13 with a 24-yard field goal with 6:27 left in regulation.

After Rivas’ score, Brian Thompson recovered a Troy Nienberg onside kick. U-M went to its playmakers, tailback Mike Hart and Edwards. After the onside kick, Hart -- whose 224 rushing yards against MSU marked his third consecutive 200-yard game -- caught a screen pass for 11 yards and got an extra 15 tacked on when linebacker David Herron grabbed his facemask. That set up a 36-yard touchdown pass from Henne to Edwards, who leaped over 5-foot-9 cornerback Jaren Hayes and ripped the ball from his hands, making the score 27-20 with 6:12 remaining.

Edwards’ grab was just the beginning of a stretch run that revived his Heisman Trophy campaign. Three minutes after his first TD, Edwards out-leapt Hayes again for a 21-yard score, tying the game at 27. Edwards scored three of the Wolverines’ last four TDs, part of an 11-catch, 189-yard day that cemented him in U-M’s record books The three TDs were a career best and the yardage allowed him to surpass receiver Anthony Carter as the school’s all-time receiving yards leader.

"There is no question Braylon made plays he has to make or we don’t win," U-M coach Lloyd Carr said. "Those were great catches. All three of those catches were plays where the defender was in pretty good position."

The performance of the U-M offense in the latter part of the game was a stark contrast to what it had done the rest of the game.

In the first half, Henne completed only 8 of 15 passes for 56 yards. Edwards was held to three catches for 35 yards. And, MSU’s defense, which had the fewest sacks in the Big Ten, got to Henne three times in the first half and four overall. But Henne rebounded, passing for 273 yards and four scores after completing 24-of-35 passes.

While U-M celebrated one of its greatest victories, the Spartans were dealt one of their most devastating losses -- and not just because of the final score.

Quarterback Drew Stanton, who kept the U-M defense off-balance, left the game in the second quarter with a separated right shoulder that Smith said might keep him out for up to three weeks. Before he was knocked out of the game, he gained 80 yards on the ground -- including a 5-yard TD run -- and 95 in the air.

"We fought to the end, and it’s no doubt we should have won that game," linebacker Ronald Stanley. "We just came up short, but I think we earned a lot of respect today."