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To: Yogizuna who wrote (13439)	10/30/2004 4:38:42 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Re: ...it has been my experience that the majority of the people would rather have their minds at ease by not knowing too much of the truth and all the "shenanigans" going on behind the scenes by selfish manipulators and "puppet string" pullers... I agree... same is true this side of the pond. However, don't you think that things get out of control when those in the know --that is, the ruling class-- end up believing their own lies/propaganda? Fooling and bamboozling the masses is okay... so long as the propaganda is not fed BACK into the power elite... There ought to be SOME topsiders who keep their eyes open and don't fall for all that axis-of-evil baloney or else....

To: Yogizuna who wrote (13439)	10/31/2004 8:42:23 AM
From: Ron	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

The Vanishing Nonvoter Has Karl Rove brought too many new people to politics? By Chris Suellentrop Posted Saturday, Oct. 30, 2004, at 10:34 PM PT FORT LAUDERDALE—Republicans love to criticize Democrats for failing to use "dynamic scoring" when assessing the impact of tax cuts on budget revenues. But if President Bush loses the 2004 presidential election, it may be because Karl Rove failed to use dynamic scoring when assessing the impact of his political strategy on the electorate. In budgetary matters, dynamic scoring means including the effect that cutting taxes will have on economic growth when determining how a tax cut will affect federal revenues. A static analysis, on the other hand, would just decrease the government's inflows by the amount that taxes were cut (or increase revenues by the amount taxes were raised), without calculating the ways a change in tax policy can change people's economic decisions. For the 2004 election, Rove's static political analysis was that appealing to the 4 million evangelicals who didn't vote in 2000 would bring President Bush a decisive re-election victory. Bush's campaign—and his presidency—have appealed almost entirely to the base of the Republican Party. In a static world, that strategy makes sense: Consolidate the support you received last time, and then find new conservative voters who weren't motivated to turn out four years ago, whether because of the late-breaking news of Bush's DUI arrest or because they weren't convinced of Bush's conservative bona fides. But Rove may have missed the dynamic analysis: the effect that such a strategy would have on the rest of the nonvoting public. In most states, the Democratic voter registration program has outpaced the Republican one. Here in Florida, that hasn't been the case, as the GOP has turned up more new registrants across the state than the Democrats. But evidence that Rove's unconventional strategy inflamed the Democratic base can be seen in the early-voting turnout, which seems to be favoring the Democrats. Friday's South Florida Sun-Sentinel featured this headline on the front page: "Early Vote Turnout Boosts Democrats." Calling the turnout in heavily Democratic Broward County a "bad sign for President Bush's chances to win the state," the Sun-Sentinel noted that "twice as many Democrats as Republicans had either voted at early voting sites or returned absentee ballots in the county." In Miami-Dade, another heavily Democratic county, Kerry stands to beat Bush by 90,000 votes if a Miami Herald poll conducted by John Zogby is accurate, Herald columnist Jim DeFede wrote on Thursday. Al Gore won the county by less than 40,000 votes. "By our count, John Kerry already has a significant lead with the people who have already voted in Florida," Tad Devine said in a conference call with reporters Saturday. The voters who are waiting in line for 2 1/2 hours to vote—almost exactly how long the line was Saturday at the downtown Fort Lauderdale public library—aren't doing that to register their support for "more of the same," he said. Interestingly, Devine sounded more confident about Kerry's chances in Florida than in Ohio, a state in which most people think Kerry has a slight edge. He said that Kerry had a "small but important advantage" in Florida (as well as Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania), but only that the race was "very close" with Kerry "positioned to win" in Ohio, putting that the Buckeye State in the same category as Bush-leaning (by most accounts) states Iowa, Nevada, and New Mexico. It's possible that Rove and the Bush campaign have turned up a huge trove of conservative nonvoters who were registered to vote four years ago, and who therefore aren't showing up in the numbers of new registered voters. Unless that's true, however, the early indications are that Rove's repudiation of centrist politics will backfire. The secret of Bill Clinton's campaigns and of George W. Bush's election in 2000 was the much-maligned politics of small differences: Find the smallest possible majority (well, of electoral votes, for both men) that gets you to the White House. In political science, something called the "median voter theorem" dictates that in a two-party system, both parties will rush to the center looking for that lone voter—the median voter—who has 50.1 percent of the public to the right (or left) of him. Win that person's vote, and you've won the election. Rove has tried to use the Bush campaign to disprove the politics of the median voter. It was as big a gamble as any of the big bets President Bush has placed over the past four years. It has the potential to pay off spectacularly. After all, everyone always talks about how there are as many people who don't vote in this country as people who do vote. Rove decided to try to get the president to excite those people. Whether Bush wins or loses, it looks like he succeeded. Chris Suellentrop is Slate's deputy Washington bureau chief. You can e-mail him at suellentrop@slate.com. Article URL: slate.msn.com

To: Yogizuna who wrote (13439)	10/31/2004 11:23:31 AM
From: Suma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

I agree with this emphatically. The friends I have are bored to death with the politics yet ask them a question about what's going on and they are just going to vote what they have always been.... Republican.. SAD For what it is worth, and I do not mean to depress any of the intelligent and or optimistic readers here, but after almost 55 years of living in this country, it has been my experience that the majority of the people would rather have their minds at ease by not knowing too much of the truth and all the "shenanigans" going on behind the scenes by selfish manipulators and "puppet string" pullers...