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To: American Spirit who wrote (285)10/30/2004 1:05:26 PM
From: StockDung  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1449
 
Bin Laden Video Rattles Bush, Kerry Campaigns
By CALVIN WOODWARD and DEB RIECHMANN, AP


Released OCT 27, 2004

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (Oct. 30) - President Bush and Sen. John Kerry charged into a sharp final round of argument Saturday over which one can best fight global terrorism, the import of their debate underscored by Osama bin Laden's sudden reappearance on tape at ''a time of great consequence,'' in the words of the president.

''The person that sits in the Oval Office will determine the outcome of the war on terror and the economy,'' Bush told supporters in Grand Rapids, Mich., after directing his national security aides to take any necessary steps in response to the bin Laden tape.

Kerry was in the Midwest battleground states, too, campaigning in Appleton, Wis., where he pledged to ''lead the world in fighting a smarter, more effective, tougher, more strategic war on terror.''

''We will make America safer,'' the Massachusetts senator said, renewing his charges that Bush was responsible for letting bin Laden slip away and that the president's rush to war in Iraq had diverted needed forces from Afghanistan.

Vice President Dick Cheney made his pitch in Pennsylvania, suggesting that bin Laden's latest message underscores the importance of staying focused on the fight against terrorism.



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''It is a contest we did not choose, but it is one that we will win,'' Cheney told a cheering crowd as he pressed his criticism of Kerry's stands on national security.

The campaign back-and-forth played out as the U.S. military in Iraq announced that eight Marines were killed and nine wounded in action Saturday in Anbar province in west of Baghdad.

Bush held a videoconference call with national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and the heads of the CIA, FBI and departments of Justice and Homeland Security. White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the president directed them to make sure any necessary action is taken with regard to the tape.

McClellan did not say what steps were being taken or contemplated. He played down the possibility of the administration raising the threat advisory level, currently at ''yellow,'' or elevated, for most of the country. He did rule out Bush curtailing his campaign schedule to deal with the new video message.



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President Bush, seen here with California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, accused Kerry of "Monday-morning quarterbacking."

The presidential candidates responded with reflexive gestures of unity to the sight of America's deadly foe on video, but those were swallowed up in the lunge for advantage in the campaign's closing days.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., campaigning for Bush in Connecticut, predicted Saturday that the bin Laden message would give the president a boost in the campaign's closing days by focusing attention on terrorism.

''I think the undecideds are going to go into the ballot booth and vote on who they believe can protect them the best,'' McCain said, maintaining that the answer would be Bush.

Mike McCurry, an adviser to Kerry, said the campaign has no way of knowing what kind of effect the tape might have on the election: ''We'll know on Tuesday.''

McCurry also rejected the idea that Kerry was using the tape for political ends, disputing Republican criticism and saying, ''It's hard to imagine how they could make that charge since he's the one that referenced the tape in his vicious attack on Senator Kerry last night.''

Kerry, for his part, hoped the issue would play to his advantage, pledging to defend the nation ably as president, just as he did as a young soldier in Vietnam.


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On the videotape, bin Laden explicitly acknowledged responsibility for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks for the first time and told Americans: ''Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands.''

After a day in Florida, Kerry flew to Wisconsin to resume campaigning in Midwestern battlegrounds, where he and Bush spent much of the week. Iowa and Ohio were also on the Massachusetts senator's plate Saturday; Bush was stumping in Michigan, Wisconsin and Minnesota before capping the night in Orlando, Fla.

Intelligence officials continued to analyze the bin Laden tape, which they believe is genuine and had been made recently. The campaigns pored over the implications for their scripted weekend finales, and both candidates rushed to TV cameras to respond.

''Let me make this very clear,'' Bush said in Toledo, Ohio. ''Americans will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our country. I'm sure Senator Kerry agrees with this.''

Kerry, in Florida, echoed that ''we are absolutely united in our determination to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden and the terrorists.'' He went on: ''They are barbarians, and I will stop at absolutely nothing to hunt down, capture or kill the terrorists wherever they are, whatever it takes, period.''

But separately he returned to his argument that U.S. forces could have run down bin Laden in the Tora Bora mountains of Afghanistan in late 2001 if they had gone after him on the ground. He blamed Bush anew for the decision to let Afghan forces lead that chase.

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AP writer Mary Dalrymple, traveling with the Kerry campaign, contributed to this report.

10-30-04 1217EDT



To: American Spirit who wrote (285)10/30/2004 5:17:27 PM
From: jim-thompson  Respond to of 1449
 
John Kerry would like to enter a diplomatic dialog with osma bin laden.....

osama does not want President Bush to enter a new term. his preference is for the "global test" candidate to win.....



To: American Spirit who wrote (285)11/1/2004 9:54:45 AM
From: StockDung  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1449
 
We did not 'outsource' the hunt for bin Laden Kerry charge just wrong, says man who led search
By TOMMY FRANKS
Oct. 19, 2004, 7:56PM

President Bush and Sen. John Kerry have very different views of the war on terrorism, and those differences ought to be debated in this presidential campaign. But the debate should focus on facts, not distortions of history.


On more than one occasion, Kerry has referred to the fight at Tora Bora in Afghanistan during late 2001 as a missed opportunity for America. He claims that

our forces had Osama bin Laden cornered and allowed him to escape. How did it happen? According to Kerry, we "outsourced" the job to Afghan warlords. As commander of the allied forces in the Middle East, I was responsible for the operation at Tora Bora, and I can tell you that the senator's understanding of events doesn't square with reality.

First, take Kerry's contention that we "had an opportunity to capture or kill Osama bin Laden" and that "we had him surrounded." We don't know to this day whether bin Laden was at Tora Bora in December 2001. Some intelligence sources said he was; others indicated he was in Pakistan at the time; still others suggested he was in Kashmir. Tora Bora was teeming with Taliban and al-Qaida operatives, many of whom were killed or captured, but bin Laden was never within our grasp.

Second, we did not "outsource" military action. We did rely heavily on Afghans because they knew Tora Bora, a mountainous, geographically difficult region on the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan. It is where Afghan mujahedeen holed up for years, keeping alive their resistance to the Soviet Union. Killing and capturing Taliban and al-Qaida fighters was best done by the Afghan fighters who already knew the caves and tunnels.

Third, the Afghans weren't left to do the job alone. Special forces from the United States and several other countries were there, providing tactical leadership and calling in air strikes. Pakistani troops also provided significant help — as many as 100,000 sealed the border and rounded up hundreds of al-Qaida and Taliban fighters.

Contrary to Kerry, Bush never "took his eye off the ball" when it came to Osama bin Laden. The war on terrorism has a global focus. It cannot be divided into separate and unrelated wars, one in Afghanistan and another in Iraq. Both are part of the same effort to capture and kill terrorists before they are able to strike America again, potentially with weapons of mass destruction. Terrorist cells are operating in some 60 countries, and the United States, in coordination with dozens of allies, is waging this war on many fronts.

As we planned for potential military action in Iraq and conducted counterterrorist operations in several other countries in the region, Afghanistan remained a center of focus. Neither attention nor manpower was diverted from Afghanistan to Iraq. When we started Operation Iraqi Freedom, we had about 9,500 troops in Afghanistan, and by the time we finished major combat operations in Iraq last May, we had more than 10,000 troops in Afghanistan.

We are committed to winning this war on all fronts, and we are making impressive gains. Afghanistan has held the first free elections in its history. Iraq is led by a free government made up of its own citizens. By the end of this year, NATO and American forces will have trained 125,000 Iraqis to enforce the law, fight insurgents and secure the borders. This is in addition to the great humanitarian progress already achieved in Iraq.

Many hurdles remain, of course. But the gravest danger would result from the withdrawal of American troops before we finish our work. Today we are asking our servicemen and women to do more, in more places, than we have in decades. They deserve honest, consistent, no-spin leadership that respects them, their families and their sacrifices. The war against terrorism is the right war at the right time for the right reasons. And Iraq is one of the places that war must be fought and won. George W. Bush has his eye on that ball and Sen. John Kerry does not.

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Franks, a retired general and former commander in chief of the Central Command, is the author of "American Soldier." He is a member of Veterans for Bush.