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To: i-node who wrote (209587)	10/31/2004 11:53:37 PM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575802

THEY CAME HERE AND KILLED 3,000 OF OUR PEOPLE IN NYC. Dude, those weren't Iraqis that killed 3,000 people. They were Islamic fundamentalist nutcases, primarily from the nutcase of all societies, Saudi Arabia. When Jeffrey Dahmer kills 20 people, you don't kill Jeffrey's neighbor two houses down....

To: i-node who wrote (209587)	10/31/2004 11:56:25 PM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575802

Liberals are simply stupid people IMO. I'm sure the other conservatives on this thread wouldn't put it in stark terms as I do. But honestly, I've never seen a liberal who could make a good case for the liberal philosophy. Why liberalism works. It doesn't, of course. So the case is impossible to make. Everyone that dislikes Bush is not necessarily a "liberal". Some of us just think the C student from Yale with nearly zero accomplishments in his career isn't very smart and shouldn't be in charge of the country, regardless of his liberal or conservative views. His type was fine in the bubble economy year of 2000, but would prefer a president with a bit more intellect and diplomatic skills in the current post-9/11 world. Nothing to do with liberal or conservative,

To: i-node who wrote (209587)	11/1/2004 2:53:47 AM
From: beach_bum	Respond to of 1575802

"THEY CAME HERE AND KILLED 3,000 OF OUR PEOPLE IN NYC. I know it is fine with you if we just allow them to get away with it. But most of America doesn't see it that way." We have gone over this before. Iraq and Afganistan are different countries with NO links and Iraq with NO WMD. If you internalise this fact in totality, you will a different perspective. Please post a link where I said it is fine with me to allow them to get away. If you cant, then you can see why i think you lie - logical, isn't it ? Now, to your response to Elroy, where you said "IRAQ WAS NOT INVOLVED IN 9/11. YOU CAN'T INFER, HOWEVER, THAT THE WAR IN IRAQ ISN'T AN ESSENTIAL ELEMENT IN PREVENTING FUTURE ATTACKS." It is the most reckless logic. By Attack Iraq, we have (almost) already created another Sept 11. Look at the numbers : 1200 americans dead (and several injured) in Iraq compared to 3000 on 9/11 and about $200 Billion spent in Iraq (similar to the damage of 9/11 ?). And Iraq is not even close to over. And even more dangerously 100,000 civilians dead (little less if the report was exagerated). Why would any sane person with any heart around the world not view our action in Iraq and empathize with Iraqis ? Normal people will pump more money to their mosques, more recruits for Bin Laden, more rewards for suicide bombers from the mosques and so on. HOW EXACTLY ARE THESE DEATHS PREVENTING FUTURE ATTACKS ? Instead on 1 big attack, it has already created 500 small (and counting) attacks and killed our people. When you watch Bin Laden video, can you honestly say, that he looks like he's losing his war on terror ? It a shame to our execution that he's still around. The one key thing that has kept the support for Bush for Iraq war, are the fanatics or ignorants, who refuse to acknowledge that Iraq has no WMD and was not linked to 9/11. O "Perhaps it was a little tongue in cheek. But not much." Thanks for acknowledging. I would agree that Bush voters are from higher demographics than Kerry voters and people from higher demographics tend to do better in school and exams and come out ahead in these tests. However, I know a very large number of bush voter, who dont care much for either candidate, but somely like the benefit they get from tax cut. Beside, a lot of Kerry voters are moderate democrats and not just liberals. I know of too many liberals very successful and intelligent, but the conservatives have taken the word and twisted it to mean something negative. Same goes with conservative. "Liberals create problems. Conservatives solve them." Well, I have to agree, Einstein did create a lot of problems for me with his theories when I was in school! here's a link that might disrupt the belief that all Liberals have IQ < 100 : -------------- latter-rain.com Einstein was a champion of world peace and liberalism. -------------- I have to laugh here. Your certainty may be limiting you. Problems are of many kinds. Some require pure creativity to solve it and some require analysis and execution. I think you are refering to a traditional problem analysis and solving as intelligence. The other kind is an art form that often requires an out of the box thinking and one which is inspirational, but not necessarily quantifiable - One where the heart and mind are working in sync. Both liberal and Conservative create and solve problems - but differently. In many way, conservatism and liberism create one another. If you were to hide away all conservatives, some liberals will convert to conservatism (and vice versa) to balance out. "I've yet to see a liberal on this thread who can make a reasonable case" Let me give you one example that keeps coming up : Many of us have made points about how Bush/Cheney lied/mislead the nation and kept making different reasons for the war in iraq. And you have often walked away, saying you believe bush when he say "saddam was planning to pay off russia and remove the sanctions and then acquire WMD." What does that have anything to do with what they told us to start the war, which is "Saddam has WMD". Isn't this logical enough for you to say that Bush was wrong and is changing the logic after the fact. You and many other behave like a cult where acknowledging mistake is a no-no and you must shift the blame on others. "You can only namecall and shout and lie. That's the game plan. Same as Kerry. Liberals are simply stupid people IMO." Do you see the irony in your statements above ? Would you charactize "stupid people" as name-calling ? Bum.