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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (150275)	11/1/2004 4:02:58 PM
From: Michael Watkins	Respond to of 281500

Leaders must be judged by their actions, and by the consequences of those actions. Not their hopes and dreams, not their good or bad intentions, not their words. And the more power they hold, the harsher should be the scrutiny. Ignorance, unintended consequences, bad intel, etc., should not be an acceptable excuse. This goes for all leaders. Very well said.

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (150275)	11/1/2004 4:52:55 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

"The problem with Bush, is not that his methods are immoral. The problem is, they just don't work. They don't get the promised results." I am not here to question your principles, especially the beautiful but dangerous illusion of pacifism. I just dont understand how you can say that you became a pacifist, not because bush methods are immoral but because they failed. It seems to be he succeed in afganistan to some degree. And you became a pacifist before iraq where admittedly things havent gone well. Pacifism is the opposition to war, period. Not just some war or failed war. If you are a pacifist, you would have to be against WW2 or do you date pacifism from 9/11? mike