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To: Snowshoe who wrote (55353)	11/1/2004 5:06:22 PM
From: Snowshoe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

How to Melt European Iciness By Sebastian Mallaby Monday, November 1, 2004; Page A21 Whoever wins tomorrow is going to want to mend fences with Europe. Sen. John Kerry will want to do this because he believes in diplomacy. President Bush needs European support on challenges such as Iran. The question for either leader will not be whether to make nice with Europe, but rather how to do it. How do you grab a continent that hates you and say, "Wait! I'm not the ogre you mistake me for! We can be friends!" The answer, whether it's President Bush or President Kerry, is: Propose something so out of character that it forces Europeans to rethink their stereotypes of America. And the best way to do that is to come up with a bold proposal on global warming. [full article] washingtonpost.com

To: Snowshoe who wrote (55353)	11/1/2004 5:55:02 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<The 144-page report on Arctic climate change will be released next week. The scientists are starting to panic.> That'll be interesting. Scientists panicking? Of all the stuff I've read about the dreaded climate change over 20 years, it's quite underwhelming. So far, all I've seen is an avoided ice-age [maybe, if we're lucky]. We are still a long way from a runaway greenhouse effect. Plants are thriving on the extra CO2. Food costs are low and obesity diseases are considered a global epidemic whereas not many years ago, famine was the worry. Russians will be able to sell their huge natural gas reserves for higher relative prices. I'm not surprised they are in favour of carbon emissions controls. If the world was a lot warmer, it would probably be no bad thing for Russia. They could sail out from Murmansk straight over the north pole. When the glaciation ice melts over land, such as it did over Europe, all that water goes into the sea, lifting sea levels, but the land also rises, giving a double dousing to other places such as Venice and the lost city of Atlantis. Sweden is still rising, 10,000 years after the ice melted. When Greenland melts, Greenland will also gradually rise up due to reduction in ice load. The oceans are also warmer, so thermal expansion also makes the water deeper. Apparently sea level used to be 200 metres lower than it is now. So sea levels do change. With our without people driving SUVs and digging up the oil and bringing it back to life, where it belongs; I'm pro-life. The more the merrier I think. Down with Kyoto Rulz. Mqurice

To: Snowshoe who wrote (55353)	11/1/2004 6:23:28 PM
From: RealMuLan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

"Kyoto not the answer - Kerry In the United States, in the throes of a hotly contested presidential race just days from the November 2 election, Democratic challenger John Kerry made little effort to distance himself from incumbent Bush, saying Kyoto "is not the answer". "The near-term emission reductions it would require of the United States are unfeasible, while the long-term obligations imposed on all nations are to little to solve the problem," he said on his website. " cooltech.iafrica.com