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To: Neocon who wrote (150426)	11/2/2004 10:34:47 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

This is typical of the Neocon misinformation campaign. They have taken the Orwellian Newspeak to new heights. Any theory or conjecture that supports your position is given immense credibility while position to the contrary are scrutinize for every letter of the word so as to be rendered ineffective. The report said: In fact the 9/11 Commission has concluded there is "no credible evidence" of a Saddam-Al Qaeda link. So now you are going to play word games and say, something like, "Well, there was a link...it doesn't say there was no link...blah...blah...blah". Play these games with someone who doesn't know better.

To: Neocon who wrote (150426)	11/2/2004 11:29:22 AM
From: Michael Watkins	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

> The Senate committee clearly stated that evidence of links between Al Qaida and Iraq have been found, just not clear operational links < The general public has the misperception that there were meaningful links between Iraq and Al Qaeda. There were not. 9/11 Commission found: But to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship. Nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States. (p.66) The Senate committee concluded: Page 1, first paragraph:Most of the major key judgements in the Intelligence Community's National Intelligence Estimate (NIA) "Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction", either overstated, or were not supported by, the underlying intelligence reporting. "The Central Intelligence Agency's assessment that to date there was no evidence proving Iraqi complicity or assistance in an al-Qaeda attack was reasonable and objective. No additional information has emerged to suggest otherwise." intelligence.senate.gov Former CIA Director Tenet had this to say (March 2004): The article was based on a leaked top-secret memorandum. It purportedly set out evidence, compiled by a special Pentagon intelligence cell, that Hussein was in league with al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. It was written by Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith, the third-highest Pentagon official and a key war proponent. ‘‘Did the CIA agree with the contents of the Feith document?‘‘ asked Levin. ‘‘Senator, we did not clear the document,‘‘ replied Tenet. ``We did not agree with the way the data was characterized in that document.‘‘ The CIA report on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction mentioned Al Qaeda exactly ZERO times. It mentions Bin Laden ZERO times. The bi-partisan Senate Committee reviewing the mis-use of intelligence states time after time that information was "misrepresented", or "overstated" or "not supported" or "not based directly on intelligence" (rather on layers of misleading, misrepresented or overstated other works), "not substantiated", "judgement based on no direct evidence"... Conclusion after conclusion paints a very stark picture - one which the average American does not realize - intelligence data was misused, misrepresented and misconstrued to support conclusions that were not logical. When you read the report its very clear that a heavy hands were guiding the entire intelligence community; those who would normally speak out were silenced. Disagreements which did not support the Admnistration's preferred vision of things were suppressed. If you watch only FOX news, you'd never know any of this.