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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Cynic 2005 who wrote (33327)	11/3/2004 4:23:05 PM
From: SGJ	Respond to of 173976

yes, karma rules.

To: Cynic 2005 who wrote (33327)	11/3/2004 4:39:29 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 173976

You may be right but history has shown that entire generations can live and die with the truth never coming out. I believe that each and every person has the exact same 80 years to live and breathe and prosper but we have to fight for our right to do so. Propaganda, not truth or facts or rational thinking won this election for the dark side. IMO only propaganda will win it for the right side. Supposedly 1/3rd of the country believes it is evangelical Christian. If Kerry hadn't been a Catholic from Massachusetts but a born again from Alabama with the EXACT SAME MESSAGE he would have won. Note that Rove invoked the 'Kerry will ban the bible' and 'God is on our side' to great effect. To win, the progressives must do exactly the same thing. Will it go as far as saying that 'Bush is the spawn of Satan?' Who knows and is that really so far from reality if you're one of the 100,000 Iraqi dead? It's sad but it's the truth and we have to understand that before it's too late. Bush has devastated this country but most people don't understand that. That's the power of propaganda.

To: Cynic 2005 who wrote (33327)	11/3/2004 4:50:49 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 173976

It's really fascinating to hear Al Franken's weekly conversation with his dittohead friend on Air America Radio. They've been friends most of their lives but his friend loves Rush and listens to him religiously. What's fascinating is the lengths to which his friend, Mark Luther, goes in order to justify the lies which Rush tells. It's more than just having a different opinion about a set of facts, it's the complete renunciation of facts that don't fit Rush's opinions. I still say one of the clearest dramatizations of this effect is the movie (on DVD) Shattered Glass. It's about Steven Glass, a writer for the New Republic during the Clinton admin. He made up whole stories (people, places, events) for this supposedly rigorously intellectual (ok, casually intellectual) political magazine and they were printed time and time again. What's REALLY interesting is how this admittedly liberal, well-educated bunch of people bought into the lies EVEN WHEN GLASS ADMITTED HE WAS LYING. It's stunning how they continued to support this guy whom they liked against the editor who fired him for lying. It's just a slice of life movie but I think it dramatizes quite persuasively the sheer power of propaganda of one sort or another. If you've believed in something for a long time you'll fight to continue to believe in it. The right-wing has been doing this for 30 years = an entire generation. The moderates and progressives have been sitting back on their hands expecting people to come to their senses. They won't. They have to be sold to. It's all propaganda because propaganda works.