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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (65830)	11/3/2004 4:26:11 PM
From: Mark Konrad	Respond to of 89467

Spoken like a true Hitler-in-the-bunker fantasizing about a scorched earth--MK--

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (65830)	11/3/2004 4:30:15 PM
From: Augustus Gloop	Respond to of 89467

<<This is not a time for unity. The fight must continue. We cannot tolerate any BS about a time to come together.>> Amazing.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (65830)	11/3/2004 5:45:16 PM
From: Patricia Trinchero	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 89467

I don't agree with anything the Bush administration is doing and has done so there'll be no unity from me. Why should I forget everything I believe in?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (65830)	11/3/2004 6:08:50 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 89467

<<...the victory was a clear mandate...>> Comments from Talking Points Memo: November 03, 2004 -- 04:13 PM EDT Yesterday, in an overnight post, Andrew Sullivan wrote, President Bush "deserves a fresh start, a chance to prove himself again, and the constructive criticism of those of us who decided to back his opponent. He needs our prayers and our support for the enormous tasks still ahead of him." I thought about this when I read it. And, to put it simply, I didn't agree. What I considered writing was that given the track record he's compiled and the way he ran this campaign, he's really owed no fresh start. That would be graciousness at war with reality. It would be up to the president, I thought of writing, to show concrete signs of a willingness not to govern in the divisive and factional spirit from which he's governed in the last four years. And then there's this from his comments today: "We've worked hard and gained many new friends, and the result is now clear -- a record voter turnout and a broad, nationwide victory." This is the touchstone and the sign. A 'broad, nationwide victory'? He must be kidding. Our system is majority rule. And 51% is a win. But he's claiming a mandate. "A broad, nationwide victory"? It would almost be comical if it weren't for the seriousness of what it portends. This election cut the nation in two. A single percentage point over 50% is not broad. A victory that carried no states in the Northeast, close to none in the Industrial midwest is not nationwide, and none on the west coast is not nationwide. And yet he plans to use this narrow victory as though it were a broad mandate, starting right back with the same strategy that has already come near to tearing this country apart. -- Josh Marshall talkingpointsmemo.com

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (65830)	11/3/2004 6:47:50 PM
From: sylvester80	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

MESSAGE FROM HOWARD DEAN: democracyforamerica.com What you won't hear on TV today Montana, one of the reddest states, has a new Democratic governor. First-time candidates for state legislatures from Hawaii to Connecticut beat incumbent Republicans. And a record number of us voted to change course -- more Americans voted against George Bush than any sitting president in history. Today is not an ending. Regardless of the outcome yesterday, we have begun to revive our democracy. While we did not get the result we wanted in the presidential race, we laid the groundwork for a new generation of Democratic leaders. Democracy for America trained thousands of organizers and brought new leadership into the political process. And down the ballot, in state after state, we elected Dean Dozen candidates who will be the rising stars of the Democratic Party in years ahead. Tens of millions of us are disappointed today because we put so much of ourselves into this election. We donated money, we talked to friends, we knocked on doors. We invested ourselves in the political process. That process does not end today. These are not short-term investments. We will only create lasting change if that sense of obligation and responsibility becomes a permanent part of our lives. Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." We will not be silent. Thank you for everything you did for our cause in this election. But we are not stopping here. Governor Howard Dean, M.D. P.S. -- Join others in your community tonight at the Democracy for America Meetup to celebrate your hard work and discuss the next steps for your local group: dfa.meetup.com