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To: sandintoes who wrote (46287)11/4/2004 1:54:38 AM
From: sandintoes  Respond to of 59480
 
The French are so upset Kerry didn't win. Any wonder why?

Long Wait for Results in Nation That Heavily Backed Kerry
By Eva Cahen
CNSNews.com Correspondent
November 03, 2004

Paris (CNSNews.com) - As America was awaiting the election result, U.S. citizens living in Paris also spent a sleepless night that turned into a full day, waiting for the vote count and hoping that they would not once again have to explain to the French why the largest democracy in the world does not elect its president by a simple popular vote.

At an election night event organized by the Association of Americans Residing Overseas (AARO) in Paris, hundreds of Americans and French gathered to discuss politics, listen to music and dance in a bi-partisan gathering of both Republicans and Democrats Abroad.

French attendees reacted pessimistically at news of Sen. John Kerry's concession call to President Bush. Pascal Benazet, an editor, said it is hard for the French to understand the president's reelection.

"Most French disagree not only on the Iraqi issue but also on the many moral and society issues where Bush's stances are judged very conservative," he said.


French officials refrained from commenting about the winner until official confirmation.

Instead, Foreign Minister Michel Barnier, in an interview on RTL radio, praised American democracy and said "a new stage is starting. It is a very important moment for the world."

Stephanie Simonard, spokesperson for Republicans Abroad, is one of the Americans who during the campaign have been explaining the U.S. system to the French. She has also been defending Bush and his policies to a nation that heavily favored Kerry.

"There are a lot of misconceptions about Bush," said Simonard. "And it's true that Kerry is more of an internationalist but with Kerry too, the French would still be dissatisfied - even more dissatisfied, because America's policies would be the same and they'd blame him even more."

The heavy preference for the Kerry ticket was evident at the election night event, where Kerry badges and banners were predominant and Democrats Abroad spokesperson Anna Marie Mattson also watched the electoral vote count anxiously.

In the early hours of election night, Mattson said the French government had just been waiting for the elections, hoping for a Kerry win so they could begin improving currently cool relations with the United States, possibly through a U.N. solution.

"There's been a wait-an-see attitude before even thinking of negotiations to find a solution for Iraq," said Mattson.


During the long wait for the outcome, the U.S. electoral system was a popular topic of conversation.

Claire Boyer, a French woman who lived in the U.S. for five years and is now the Paris Youth Coordinator of the Association France-Etats Unis, said she found it very strange that the American people do not elect their president directly.

Boyer said she was living in Florida in 2000, during the last elections, and while she was fascinated by American politics, she was disappointed by what she witnessed there.

"I hope this won't be like the last time when the Supreme Court decided the outcome of the elections," said Boyer, as early electoral vote counts trickled in.

Lisa Bryant, a New York real estate professional working in Paris said she had come to the event to share the moment with other Americans in France.

"I came here thinking President Bush would win early and fast and Kerry wouldn't pull it off but now if there's a tie, I don't know how long it will go on," she said as the Paris night headed towards dawn.

French media has been covering the U.S. elections as a top story for months, acknowledging that America is a super-power and what happens in Washington will have far-reaching consequences.

Later coverage focused not only on the candidates but on explanations of the Electoral College and bemusement at America's difficulties in electing a president.

"Electoral Archaism" was the title of an editorial in the French afternoon daily, Le Monde , calling dishonorable the long lines of voters waiting into the night in Ohio and America's inability to reform its electoral system.

The article said it was worrisome that the fate of the world depended on what it called such an archaic system.


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To: sandintoes who wrote (46287)11/4/2004 11:19:58 AM
From: Glenn Petersen  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 59480
 
While I was watching the returns on Tuesday night the realization hit me that Hillary Clinton is probably unelectable at a national level. Too cold, too calculating, too mean, too liberal, too many pink suits. That said, it is going to be difficult - probably impossible - for any of the Democratic contenders to muscle her out of the way if she wins re-election in 2006. She may get the nomination but she won't win.

nytimes.com

November 4, 2004

2008 CONTENDER

For the Moment, Mrs. Clinton Looks Like the Candidate to Beat

By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ

WASHINGTON, Nov. 3 - The defeat of John Kerry has left Hillary Rodham Clinton as one of the most powerful elected officials in the national Democratic Party - as well as the top prospect for the presidential nomination in 2008, according to party officials and strategists.

Many Democrats have been saying for months that a Kerry victory on Tuesday would have forced Mrs. Clinton to put off any plans she had to run for president in 2008 because Mr. Kerry would, as the incumbent, be in a strong position to win the party's nomination for a second term.

But now, even this soon after Mr. Kerry's loss, many Democrats in and out of Washington are mentioning Mrs. Clinton, the junior senator from New York, as the leading contender for the party's nomination in 2008, citing her immense popularity among Democrats, her fund-raising prowess and her formidable political operation, which was employed, unsuccessfully, in the Kerry presidential bid.

"Hillary now becomes a natural rallying point for the party," said Hank Sheinkopf, a Democratic consultant in New York. "Hillary has a national constituency, a top-tier political organization and shrewd political skills."

"The party will be looking to her," said Chris Lehane, who was a senior adviser to Mr. Kerry early in his campaign. "Hillary is uniquely positioned."

But that said, Democratic officials cautioned that it would be unwise to count out the bench of potential Democratic stars, including Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa and, of course, John Edwards, Mr. Kerry's running mate.

More than that, Mrs. Clinton's advisers privately maintained on Wednesday that she has a far bigger hurdle to surmount before she can seriously contemplate any presidential candidacy: her own re-election back home in New York in 2006. Her aides and other strategists argue that she must win her re-election decisively - not merely eke out a victory - because it would be futile for her to begin a national campaign with a shaky base of support back home.

"She knows that she has to keep her eye on the ball, and the ball is 2006," said one adviser to Mrs. Clinton who spoke on condition of anonymity. "She's methodical and meticulous, and so she is going to focus on what's in front of her right now."

As things stand, Mrs. Clinton has done a notable job enhancing her popularity among New Yorkers in the last four years, with 61 percent supporting her in September, compared with 38 percent in February 2001, according to a recent Quinnipiac University poll.

But at the same time, Mrs. Clinton and her advisers have had to contend with a stark fact of life for her: there are large numbers of voters who simply do not like her, no matter what she does.

Roughly one of three New York voters surveyed have told pollsters for Quinnipiac University that they have an unfavorable opinion of her. (This core of seemingly implacable critics is a major reason that some of her advisers had serious doubts about her presidential prospects this year.)

Mrs. Clinton's unfavorable ratings make her an enticing target for Republicans, who can count on the so-called Hillary haters to give momentum to any campaign they decide to mount against her. Indeed, some Democrats believe that one big-name Republican giving serious thought to challenging her in 2006 is Gov. George E. Pataki, a three-term incumbent who has made inroads among Democratic voters and who is up for re-election that year.

In discussing her viability as a candidate for national office, Mrs. Clinton's advisers note that over the last four years she has been able to turn so-called undecided voters into admirers. The number of people who have told Quinnipiac pollsters, for example, that they are undecided about her has dropped - to 7 percent in September from 33 percent in February 2001 - even as her approval numbers have climbed.

"Look, there's a core of people who are not going to vote for her, no matter what she does," said the Clinton adviser who asked not to be identified. "But in the last few years she has done a remarkable job of winning over swing voters."

Mrs. Clinton may face another obstacle if she decides to seek her party's nomination: The last thing the Democrats may be looking for right now is a politically polarizing Northeastern senator who is regarded as a liberal in many political quarters.

But her aides point out that since arriving in the Senate, Mrs. Clinton has staked out moderate-to-conservative positions on a host of issues, from welfare to the war in Iraq, much to the chagrin of her liberal supporters and the satisfaction of some Republicans.

Democrats say that the role Mrs. Clinton plays in national politics will hinge in large part on what President Bush does over the next four years. As perhaps the best-known Democrat in the Senate, she is naturally poised to become a spokeswoman for the party under a Republican administration that is expected to deal with a host of politically charged issues, like any Bush nominations to the Supreme Court.

"Hillary Clinton is the one who the party, the press and the public will look to to engage and respond to the Bush administration," said Mr. Lehane, the Democratic strategist.

But Mr. Richardson, the governor of New Mexico, says he thinks that the Democratic Party, in seeking to rebuild itself in the next few years, should also be looking outside Washington for its new generation of leaders.

"The power center of the party has to be shared," he said. "It can't be just Congressional Democrats or Senate Democrats. It has to include Democratic governors who are being elected in non-Democratic strongholds like the West and the South."

Finally, Democrats say that a danger for Mrs. Clinton is that if she is seen as the top contender at this point, her Democratic rivals have nearly four years to try to undercut her.

But it is not just Democrats who will look to undermine her if she widely perceived as a leading presidential contender, political analysts say. It is also Republicans, particularly those in New York, who are certainly going to argue during her re-election campaign in 2006 that she is simply using the state as a launching pad for her national ambitions.

"If she runs for re-election in New York, that will bring the inevitable question of whether she will serve out her full term in the Senate," said one person who is close to the Clintons.



To: sandintoes who wrote (46287)11/4/2004 5:31:08 PM
From: MKTBUZZ  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 59480
 
LOL, funny look at the breakdown of those same states. The liberal loonies just don't understand what America is really all about.