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Politics : Is Secession Doable? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Smiling Bob who wrote (240)	11/4/2004 5:45:18 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1968

My mother lived with my dad for 40 years he smoked she didn't, she's in her 80's now great health, my dad died 20 yrs ago. How's that for evidence? Better then your 'feel good' non thought out evidence. Gee tell me how man has caused global warming. libdumds

To: Smiling Bob who wrote (240)	11/4/2004 6:14:06 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1968

More evidence of changes in the wind........as the country moves more right. ******************************************************* Down Democrats, Happy Republicans Look to 2008** Thu Nov 4, 2004 05:29 PM ET (Page 1 of 2) By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A demoralized Democratic Party tried to pick up the pieces on Thursday as Republicans celebrated President Bush's re-election, with both sides absorbing lessons from the campaign for use in a wide open 2008 race. For Democrats, Sen. John Kerry's White House loss and setbacks in the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives created a mood of despair, jolted the potential field of 2008 candidates and set off a spirited round of second guessing. Debate raged about whether the party needed a major overhaul or a little fine-tuning, with some Democrats warning against overreaction and others saying the reality of two consecutive lost elections required a change. "If Democrats are going to be a national party, we have to fundamentally change our message and philosophy," said Democratic consultant Doug Schoen, the pollster for former President Bill Clinton. "We have to move to the center on fiscal issues, cultural issues and defense issues, and develop specific programs to balance the budget and recognize the importance of family," he said. "And if we don't, we'll lose again." Republicans savored the success of a strong voter turnout operation that trumped more publicized Democratic efforts and the victory of a values-based, conservative message. But some Republicans warned against falling prey to an overconfident belief that what worked in 2004 will work in 2008, or in swinging too far to the right for a national campaign. "To say that if you want to be president you have to be George Bush III -- that's a big mistake," said Republican consultant Rich Galen. After losing the White House, four Senate seats and at least four House seats, the election post-mortem was much tougher for Democrats, who are left with no party leader, an uncertain philosophy and a hazy future. "When people say we need to reassess where we are as the Democratic Party -- that's an understatement," said Washington D.C.'s Democratic Mayor Anthony Williams, who called for a more defined strategy to court married women and Hispanics. Democratic consultant Dane Strother said the party must compete in the South -- and among white, blue-collar voters with conservative values -- to have any hope of winning the White House in 2008 or regaining seats in Congress. Continued ... reuters.com