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To: Hope Praytochange who wrote (658328)	11/6/2004 10:22:19 AM
From: Kenneth E. Phillipps	Read Replies (10) \| Respond to of 769670

Here in WA state, the Democrats just keep winning and winning.

To: Hope Praytochange who wrote (658328)	11/6/2004 11:29:37 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Respond to of 769670

Yes, Khang, Brooks wrote an interesting piece in today's paper... but I think you left out a few useful other points he made: ... In past years, the story line has involved Angry White Males, or Willie Horton-bashing racists. This year, the official story is that throngs of homophobic, Red America values-voters surged to the polls to put George Bush over the top. This theory certainly flatters liberals, and it is certainly wrong. Here are the facts. As Andrew Kohut of the Pew Research Center points out, there was no disproportionate surge in the evangelical vote this year. Evangelicals made up the same share of the electorate this year as they did in 2000. There was no increase in the percentage of voters who are pro-life. Sixteen percent of voters said abortions should be illegal in all circumstances. There was no increase in the percentage of voters who say they pray daily. It's true that Bush did get a few more evangelicals to vote Republican, but Kohut, whose final poll nailed the election result dead-on, reminds us that public opinion on gay issues over all has been moving leftward over the years. Majorities oppose gay marriage, but in the exit polls Tuesday, 25 percent of the voters supported gay marriage and 35 percent of voters supported civil unions. There is a big middle on gay rights issues, as there is on most social issues. Much of the misinterpretation of this election derives from a poorly worded question in the exit polls. When asked about the issue that most influenced their vote, voters were given the option of saying "moral values." But that phrase can mean anything - or nothing. Who doesn't vote on moral values? If you ask an inept question, you get a misleading result....

To: Hope Praytochange who wrote (658328)	11/6/2004 1:06:22 PM
From: CYBERKEN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

It will be interesting to see how the party re-builds. If they don't GET IT, they will be a minority opposition party for the next 30 years. Some ECONOMIC things the Democrats desperately need to GET SOON: 1) 20th century European socialism is as dead as Julius Caesar. The "Social Security as Hostage" cult crowd has almost ALL died off. The younger pre-boomers-people between 58 and 75-dominate the senior vote totally now. A majority of these people are an integral part of Investor Nation and-while they are still overweight for protecting the Great Fraud-they are under no illusions about it's BEING a fraud, and why. The boomers, despite also being trapped to some extent in the Fraud, are unwilling to hold their leaders hostage to prevent privatization, which they see as inevitable in the long run. Add to that the post-boomer voters, who are now moving from "first-time" voters to "concerned" voters, and the time to begin incremental privatization of the Great Fraud has arrived. The Democrats plunge themselves into the meat grinder if they try to stonewall against it-but they open political opportunities if they are perceived as positively affecting it. 2) The hysteria over the "deficit" and the "national debt" never fit the socialist Democrats, and they never had any credibility on it, as Tuesday again showed. America has been told that "the locusts are coming to take the children away" ever since Hamilton and Jefferson fought over the national bank. It's time to tell the Goldman Sachs bond whores to dummy up, and to build the new 21st century economy on a foundation of free capital formation. Democrats do not have to exclude themselves from this, and will hurt themselves more and more if they do. 3) Free capital formation means we STOP the archaic Marxist cat-burning of taxing away the seed corn of new jobs. The fraudulent "corporate income tax" (a hidden tax on all of US) and the insane taxes on dividends, interest, capital gains and estates need to be abolished, so America can COMPETE in an aggressive growing world. Democrats need not exclude themselves from this, when they can affect the debate by just crawling out of their socialist cave and conceding that the sun is shining. In other words, the next Democrat who tells a network camera "We are against tax cuts for the rich" needs to be STONED by the rest of his party...