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To: LindyBill who wrote (84525)11/6/2004 10:09:28 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793955
 
Believe it or not, it wasn't just rednecks who voted for Bush
By Mark Steyn
(Filed: 07/11/2004)

The big question after Tuesday was: will it just be more of the same in George W Bush's second term, or will there be a change of tone? And apparently it's the latter. The great European thinkers have decided that instead of doing another four years of lame Bush-is-a-moron cracks they're going to do four years of lame Americans-are-morons cracks. Inaugurating the new second-term outreach was Brian Reade in the Daily Mirror, who attributed the President's victory to: "The self-righteous, gun-totin', military-lovin', sister-marryin', abortion-hatin', gay-loathin', foreigner-despisin', non-passport-ownin' rednecks, who believe God gave America the biggest dick in the world so it could urinate on the rest of us and make their land 'free and strong'."

Well, that's certainly why I supported Bush, but I'm not sure it entirely accounts for the other 59,459,765. Forty five per cent of Hispanics voted for the President, as did 25 per cent of Jews, and 23 per cent of gays. And this coalition of common-or-garden rednecks, Hispanic rednecks, sinister Zionist rednecks, and lesbian rednecks who enjoy hitting on their gay-loathin' sisters expanded its share of the vote across the entire country - not just in the Bush states but in the Kerry states, too.

In all but six states, the Republican vote went up: the urinating rednecks have increased their number not just in Texas and Mississippi but in Massachusetts and California, both of which have Republican governors. You can drive from coast to coast across the middle of the country and never pass through a single county that voted for John Kerry: it's one continuous cascade of self-righteous urine from sea to shining sea. States that were swing states in 2000 - West Virginia, Arkansas - are now solidly Republican, and once solidly Democrat states - Iowa, Wisconsin - are now swingers. The redneck states push hard up against the Canadian border, where if your neck's red it's frostbite. Bush's incontinent rednecks are everywhere: they're so numerous they're running out of sisters to bunk up with.

Who exactly is being self-righteous here? In Britain and Europe, there seem to be two principal strains of Bush-loathing. First, the guys who say, if you disagree with me, you must be an idiot - as in the Mirror headline "How can 59,054,087 people be so DUMB?" Second, the guys who say, if you disagree with me, you must be a Nazi - as in Oliver James, who told The Guardian: "I was too depressed to even speak this morning. I thought of my late mother, who read Mein Kampf when it came out in the 1930s [sic] and thought, 'Why doesn't anyone see where this is leading?' "

Mr James is a clinical psychologist.

If smug Europeans are going to coast on moron-Fascist sneers indefinitely, they'll be dooming themselves to ever more depressing mornings-after in the 2006 midterms, the 2008 presidential election, 2010, and beyond: America's resistance to the conventional wisdom of the rest of the developed world is likely to intensify in the years ahead. This widening gap is already a point of pride to the likes of B J Kelly of Killiney, who made the following observation on Friday's letters page in The Irish Times: "Here in the EU we objected recently to high office for a man who professed the belief that abortion and gay marriages are essentially evil. Over in the US such an outlook could have won him the presidency."

I'm not sure who he means by "we". As with most decisions taken in the corridors of Europower, the views of Killiney and Knokke and Krakow didn't come into it one way or the other. B J Kelly is referring to Rocco Buttiglione, the mooted European commissioner whose views on homosexuality, single parenthood, etc would have been utterly unremarkable for an Italian Catholic 30 years ago. Now Europe's secular elite has decided they're beyond the pale and such a man should have no place in public life. And B J Kelly sees this as evidence of how much more enlightened Europe is than America.

That's fine. But what happens if the European elite should decide a whole lot of other stuff is beyond the pale, too, some of it that B J Kelly is quite partial to? In affirming the traditional definition of marriage in 11 state referenda, from darkest Mississippi to progressive enlightened Kerry-supporting Oregon, the American people were not expressing their "gay-loathin' ", so much as declining to go the Kelly route and have their betters tell them what they can think. They're not going to have marriage redefined by four Massachusetts judges and a couple of activist mayors. That doesn't make them Bush theo-zombies marching in lockstep to the gay lynching, just freeborn citizens asserting their right to dissent from today's established church - the stifling coercive theology of political correctness enforced by a secular episcopate.

As Americans were voting on marriage and marijuana and other matters, the Rotterdam police were destroying a mural by Chris Ripke that he'd created to express his disgust at the murder of Theo van Gogh by Islamist crazies. Ripke's painting showed an angel and the words "Thou Shalt Not Kill". Unfortunately, his workshop is next to a mosque, and the imam complained that the mural was "racist", so the cops arrived, destroyed it, arrested the television journalists filming it and wiped their tape. Maybe that would ring a bell with Oliver James's mum.

The restrictions on expression that B J Kelly sees as evidence of European enlightenment are regarded as profoundly unhealthy by most Americans. When one examines Brian Reade's anatomy of redneck disfigurements - "gun-totin', military-lovin', abortion-hatin' " - most of them are about the will to survive, as individuals and as a society. Americans tote guns because they're assertive citizens, not docile subjects of a permanent governing class. They love their military because they think there's something contemptible about Europeans preening and posing as a great power when they can't even stop some nickel'n'dime Balkan genital-severers piling up hundreds of thousands of corpses on their borders.

And, if Americans do "hate abortion", is Mr Reade saying he loves it? It's at least partially responsible for the collapsed birthrates of post-Christian Europe. However superior the EU is to the US, it will only last as long as Mr Reade's generation: the design flaw of the radical secular welfare state is that it depends on a traditionally religious society birthrate to sustain it. True, you can't be a redneck in Spain or Italy: when the birthrates are 1.1 and 1.2 children per couple, there are no sisters to shag.

What was revealing about this election campaign was how little the condescending Europeans understand even about the side in American politics they purport to agree with - witness The Guardian's disastrous intervention in Clark County. Simon Schama last week week defined the Bush/Kerry divide as "Godly America" and "Worldly America", hailing the latter as "pragmatic, practical, rational and sceptical". That's exactly the wrong way round: it's Godly America that is rational and sceptical - especially of Euro-delusions. Uncowed by Islamists, undeferential to government, unshrivelled in its birthrates, Bush's redneck America is a more reliable long-term bet. Europe's media would do their readers a service if they stopped condescending to it.



To: LindyBill who wrote (84525)11/6/2004 10:31:38 PM
From: Captain Jack  Respond to of 793955
 
Thailand showed their weakness as did Spain. Not a good thing to welcome the snake in your home..



To: LindyBill who wrote (84525)11/6/2004 10:36:10 PM
From: Hoa Hao  Respond to of 793955
 
Much has been going on in Thailand. My friend Suphi, the Thai Army General, is in charge of a lot going on in the 3 southern rpovinces which are largely Moslem:

"Hi guys. Sorry am not around so much now but have very little time for self. Mostly working 14 hour days here. For every incident you read of are five or six do not. Also are many we catch before happen.

This is official story on what happen at Tak Bai. Are many errors in story given in report. For example we capture one pistol J-frame Smith and Wesson .38. Is nice piece may keep it

SONGKHLA, Thailand - More than 80 people have died following a riot outside the Tak Bai police station in Narathiwat Province, southern Thailand. The riot followed the arrest of six Muslim defense volunteers who have been charged with handing the weapons they had been issued over to Islamic separatist terrorists. The violence erupted after about 2,000 Tak Bai residents picketed noisily outside the police station demanding the unconditional release of the six men. At some point during this demonstration there was a concerted effort by the rioters to storm the police station and release the accused men. This appears to have been instigated by a number of professional agitators who had been identified at a number of other civil disturbances in the three southernmost provinces and by some unidentified onlookers who appeared to be from outside the region. The attack was broken up by the use of water cannon and tear gas. the security forces guarding the police post came under fire from elements within the crowd. By this time more than 24 security personnel had been injured although none were hit by the gunfire coming form the riot.

Soldiers assisting the police then returned fire, initially shooting over the head of the crowd, then dropping rioters seen to be carrying weapons. A total of nine people were killed, six bodies being found on the scene and another three were pulled from the Tak Bai river. Weapons recovered from the dead included four M-16 assault rifles, three AK-47 assault rifles, one .38 pistol, 14 machetes and a handful of cartridges. Four hand grenades were retrieved from bodies taken out of the Tak Bai river. The Fourth Army is currently trying to identify the bodies to see if any were foreigners with terrorist connections. A further 16 rioters were wounded by rifle fire and are being treated at Ingkayutthaboriharn Hospital. All are in critical condition.

Following the outbreak of gunfire, the rioting crowd was broken up and more than 1,300 people were detained after attacking security forces. The problem was that the security forces in the area had not planned on having to handle this many detained people and the requisite truck capacity was not available. The military forces had to bring up trucks from an Army base and also hire civilian vehicles to take the detainees to Ingkayutthaboriharn army camp in nearby Pattani for questioning. It was during the grueling six-hour wait before being moved out that 78 of the detainees died from suffocation in the cramped interior of the trucks, according to a team of forensic pathologists led by Khunying Pornthip Rojanasunant, deputy director of the Forensic Science Institute. She said most of the dead were found at the front of the trucks, just behind the cab.

It appears that conditions inside the trucks deteriorated quickly because of the heat. Many protesters were weak and hungry because they were obeying the holy Ramadan fast which took a heavy toll on their health. It appears that the dead were already severely dehydrated since they had been exposed to the full heat of the sun during the riot yet hadn't drunk water since early morning. [NOTE THE FOLLOWING>]In addition, it appears that many of the rioters had consumed the same cocktail of drugs, morphine, methamphetamine and marihuana extract, that had been used by Muslim terrorists in the April attacks on Army posts. Confirmation of this is proving hard to get since, although Khunying Doctor Pornthip took fluids from the dead bodies for lab tests, Islamic religious codes barred a proper autopsy of the bodies, which must be brought for burial within 24 hours. Khunying Pornthip insisted she did not distort the findings to vindicate the government, although the sight of so many deaths had taken her aback. "'It's not in my nature to jeopardize a physician's ethics to cover up for anyone. I carried out the forensic process in line with the facts,'' she said.

Authorities had been able to identify 36 bodies so far. They did not have fatal gunshot wounds nor were there any wounds inflicted by sharp objects. Khunying Pornthip said about 80% of the victims had suffocated and others succumbed to severe heat stroke and convulsions. She did not rule out the possibility that the suffocation could have been caused by agitators in the trucks blocking the nostrils and mouths of the protesters to prevent them from breathing. "We can't tell for sure if anyone blocked their nostrils or mouths," she said. Some support for this theory stems from the fact that two of the dead had broken necks. Fourth Army deputy commander General Sinchai Boonsathit said the soldiers had handled the protesters humanely and did not toss them into the trucks or pile them on top of one another as alleged. Protesters detained at Ingkayutthaboriharn camp were allowed to make phone calls to let their families know their whereabouts.

Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra said the government had run out of patience and would take drastic action against elements instigating violence. However, security forces must forgo use of weapons in managing protests and follow proper and peaceful crowd-control procedures. Security forces deployed at the Tak Bai standoff had taken the right step firing warning shots into the air and pointing guns away from protesters. ''They did a great job. They have my praise,'' Mr Thaksin said.

The riot outside the police station appears to have been coordinated with a wave of shootings across Narathiwat province that saw five people attacked, one of whom was killed. Kooy sae Ooy, 72, was seriously wounded as he was returning home from tending his orchard in Sungai Padi district. The second casualty was Boonsri Nakmart, 24, who was attacked while driving his motorcycle home in Sukhirin district. Also in Sukhirin district, gunmen opened fire on Kan Takooy who was hit in his chest and hands. In Sungai Kolok, a man identified only as Khiew was wounded and only 10 minutes later Chamlong Charun, 40, was shot dead at his house. All the victims were Buddhists.

"This was great tragedy is bad that so many have died. But think main reason is they bring this on selves. Hot climate fast with no food or drink and taking drugs is very bad. Guess is if we cut these up we find many die of kidney and liver failure."

You like our G36s? We make these here now under license. Ours is almost same as German but not quite. No carry handle on top. Pattern weapons we buy from Germany have handle but not ones made here. We are replacing M16 with two rifles G36 and SIG550 both made here. You hear we are buying Gripen also from Sweden.

Build a man a fire you warm him for a night
Set a man on fire you warm him for all his life



To: LindyBill who wrote (84525)11/6/2004 10:49:34 PM
From: gamesmistress  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793955
 
NYT EDITORIAL
New Standards for Elections

Published: November 7, 2004

States may have the right to set their own standards for local elections, but picking the president is a national enterprise.

This is obviously a job for Congress, and it deserves the same kind of persistent, intense lobbying effort that reformers have given the issue of campaign finance.


[And it'll probably turn out just as well, too. :-/ ]

The 2004 election may not have an asterisk next to it the way the 2000 election does, but the mechanics of our democracy remained badly flawed. From untrustworthy electronic voting machines, to partisan secretaries of state, to outrageously long lines at the polls, the election system was far from what voters are entitled to.

It's patently obvious that presidential elections, at least, should be conducted under uniform rules. Voters in Alaska and Texas should not have different levels of protection when it comes to their right to cast a ballot and have it counted. It's ridiculous that citizens who vote in one place have to show picture ID while others do not, that a person who accidentally walks into the wrong polling place can cast a provisional ballot that will be counted in one state but thrown out in another. States may have the right to set their own standards for local elections, but picking the president is a national enterprise.

This is obviously a job for Congress, and it deserves the same kind of persistent, intense lobbying effort that reformers have given the issue of campaign finance. But improvements by the states may be easier to achieve, and will clearly help prod Congress by their good example. Advocates should push every level of government to be part of the solution:

1. A holiday for voting. It's wrong for working people to be forced to choose between standing in a long line to vote and being on time for work. Election Day should be a holiday, to underscore the significance of the event, to give all voters time to cast ballots and to free up more qualified people to serve as poll workers.

2. Early voting. In states that permit it, early voting encourages people to turn out by letting them vote at times that are convenient for them. And it gives election officials and outside groups more time to react to voting problems ranging from faulty voting machines to voter intimidation.

3. Improved electronic voting. For voters to trust electronic voting, there must be a voter-verified paper record of every vote cast, and mandatory recounts of a reasonable percentage of the votes. The computer code should be provided to election officials, and made public so it can be widely reviewed. There should be spot-checks of the software being used on Election Day, as there are of slot machines in Nevada, to ensure that the software in use matches what is on file with election officials.

4. Shorter lines at the polls. Forcing voters to wait five hours, as some did this year, is unreasonable, and it disenfranchises those who cannot afford the wait. There should be standards for the number of voting machines and poll workers per 100 voters, to ensure that waiting times are reasonable and uniform from precinct to precinct.

5. Impartial election administrators. Partisan secretaries of state routinely issued rulings this year that favored their parties and themselves. Decisions about who can vote and how votes will be counted should be made by officials who are not running for higher office or supporting any candidates. Voting machine manufacturers and their employees, and companies that handle ballots, should not endorse or contribute to political candidates.

6. Uniform and inclusive voter registration standards. Registration forms should be simplified, so no one is again disenfranchised for failing to check a superfluous box, as occurred this year in Florida, or for not using heavy enough paper, as occurred in Ohio. The rules should be geared to getting as many qualified voters as possible on the rolls.

7. Accurate and transparent voting roll purges. This year, Florida once again conducted a flawed and apparently partisan purge of its rolls, and went to court to try to keep it secret. There should be clear standards for how purges are done that are made public in advance. Names that are due to be removed should be published, and posted online, well in advance of Election Day.