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To: redfish who wrote (839)	11/6/2004 11:18:49 PM
From: SiouxPal	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 361240

And my dear redfish that is our legacy. Here I go again. *******************I AM A PATRIOT********************* And the river... opens for the righteous And the river... opens for the righteous...Someday I was walking..... with my brother And he wondered.... what's on my mind I said what I believe in my soul Ain't what I see with my eyes And we can't turn our backs... this time I am a patriot And I love my county Because my country..... is all I know I want to be with my family The people who understand me I've got nowhere else... to go And the river opens for the righteous Someday And I was talking.... with my sister She looked so fine I said, "Baby, what's on your mind?" She said, "I want to run like the lion Released from the cages Released from the rages Burning in my heart tonight" And I ain't no communist And I ain't no capitalist And I ain't no socialist And I ain't no imperialist And I ain't no democrat And I ain't no republican I only know one party And it is freedom I am, I am, I am I am a patriot And I love my country Because my county ...is all I know And the river opens for the righteous And the river opens for the righteous Someday And the river opens for the righteous... Little Steven (Van Zandt) That will be my theme song, and I'll try to give you fair warning, as it may become redundant in your minds. I just won't get it out of my mind. I am boring sometimes, or many. SiouxPal-with-a-new-faith-brewing

To: redfish who wrote (839)	11/6/2004 11:27:12 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Respond to of 361240

Yes, they are gearing up for it. There could be some interesting clashes in the years ahead. That article made me think again of one I posted earlier today. The beginning of it is... THE CIVIL WAR and its militaristic effect on American society had important consequences for the nationalist collectivization of America that occurred in the following decades. It encouraged collectivist intellectuals to vigorously promote their reform visions and it won thinkers to the collectivist cause. It even convinced some individualists that the world had changed, making their worldview outdated. Individualism devalued The war effort devalued the individualism that had characterized earlier Jeffersonian America. Service to the Union became the new reigning ideal. Order, government planning, and regimentation rose in value. Independent thought seemed more a liability than an asset. The war, wrote historian Allan Nevins, transformed an inchoate nation, individualistic in temper and wedded to improvisation, into a shaped and disciplined nation, increasingly aware of the importance of plan and control. A symbol of that change in mindset is Ralph Waldo Emerson, the transcendentalist author of Self-Reliance, who before the war represented a distinctively American cantankerous individualism opposed to institutions and their impositions on the person. When the war came along, Emerson expressed approval that it imposed obligations on everyone. He hoped no one would be exempt from “the public duty.” In a 180-degree turn, he assigned government and civilization priority over “the private man.” In “American Civilization,” written in 1862, he was willing to grant government, in his words, “the absolute powers of a dictator” in a crisis. “Emerson’s characteristic emphasis on individualism and anarchism disappeared,” writes historian George Frederickson. Smacks of the pre-9/11 bull that Cheney was the loudest voice for, but that "everything is changed now" is a standard refrain to cover the travesties to our freedoms and to make cover for wars "they" wanted to wage anyway. China and Europe and others will soon make our military might irrelevant as they go on with life while we still think of conquering by the gun.