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To: LindyBill who wrote (84760)	11/8/2004 1:53:44 AM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793817

SULLIVAN - A WHIFF OF HUBRIS: I must say I was greatly relieved to see Hugh Hewitt's sane post telling conservatives not to go ape-shit over Arlen Specter. I hope Hewitt's not the only Republican concerned with overkill. We have all learned that this president's biggest mistakes have occurred when he was convinced he was invincible. Success in Afghanistan led him to construct a war-plan for Iraq that was far too optimistic. Success in the initial phases of the Iraq war led him to the "Mission Accomplished" embarrassment. A clear victory in this election - but no landslide - has now apparently led him to contemplate Clarence Thomas as Supreme Court Justice. And we're also told by Karl Rove that "if we want to have a hopeful and decent society, we ought to aim for the ideal, and the ideal is that marriage ought to be, and should be, a union of a man and a woman." By inference, the hopes of gay couples to belong to their own family and society are somehow non-existent; and the commitment of one gay person to another is somehow "indecent." On "Meet The Press," Rove also argued that even civil unions backed by "a few local elected officials" should be banned. Bill Bennett must be thrilled. I had hoped that this president might use his victory to unite. But he is dividing more aggressively than ever. "MORAL VALUES": Here's a fascinating piece of data. The percentage of people who said in 2004 that their vote was determined by the issue of "moral values" was 22 percent. In 1992, if you add the issues of abortion and family values together, that percentage was 27 percent. In 1996, it was 49 percent. In 2000, it was 49 percent. So the domestic moral focus halved in 2004. Obviously, the war took precedence, especially if you combine the categories of the Iraq war and the war on terrorism more generally. Again: the Republicans should be wary of over-playing their hand. If they believe the entire country is the religious right, the backlash could begin very soon.

To: LindyBill who wrote (84760)	11/8/2004 7:15:24 AM
From: John Carragher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793817

Pat Toomey's challenge ,, he would not have beaten the democrat who ran against him. Besides toomey voted against Republican bills more than any other rep. He is as far left as you can get. At the time you didn't know the senate would pick up four positions. Why would you let the seat go? Rick support for Specter ,, may help him in his reelection if Specter supports him.. However, specter is such a strange dude there no way of telling if he will even remember Santorum's first name when he runs. I believe Bush Rove made the right judgement to support Specter , try to get on his coattails and win pa. Bush really didn't do that bad in Pa. Philly and suburbs again was Bush defeat. Could specter done more for Bush,, i think so but he was concerned about his own re election and was get hammered by democrats from his statements while running against toomey.