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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (151416)	11/10/2004 3:30:08 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

If you are right about falujah, there isnt much difference in the way i see it. Of course we will argue about causes, whether we should have overthown saddam etc for years and years but starting here and now, yours was a good first shot on what to do after falujah fails. OF course i am still hanging around waiting for it and what follows to produce better results than you do. I just cant believe that at some point ordinary sunnis would rather have zarquawi over allawi or ex-saddmites over our troops. I understand nationalism but i dont understand stupidity(which their nationalism may have become, much like pals) which is what i see as a problem over there. Bottom line though is that our differences have greatly narrowed. I have not ignored events on the ground and i hope you wont either if i turn out to be right on waiting for falujah before changing course in the fundamental way you suggest. mike

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (151416)	11/10/2004 4:05:28 PM
From: Elsewhere	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

You might find the following Cato Institute press release interesting: Military Presence in Iraq Detrimental to U.S. Security Cato Report Explains Why November 9, 2004 cato.org WASHINGTON -- As the U.S. military expands military operations throughout Iraq, policymakers should consider the advice of the ten scholars and policy experts who collaborated to produce Exiting Iraq: Why the U.S. Must End the Military Occupation and Renew the War against Al Qaeda. Published in June by the Cato Institute, the report documents the many ways in which the military occupation undermines U.S. strategic goals in the region, while charting a path for the expeditious withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq. Although the deadline specified in the report for the removal of U.S. forces is no longer practical, an orderly withdrawal, with proper guarantees for the safety and security of U.S. military and civilian personnel leaving Iraq, could be completed by December 2005. Following a U.S. military withdrawal, a set of clear guidelines must govern relations between the United States and the new Iraqi government: Do not threaten the United States; do not harbor anti-American terrorists; and do not develop weapons of mass destruction. In the meantime, we should expect that U.S. forces will remain bogged down in street-to-street fighting throughout Iraq. The occupation in Iraq distracts attention from fighting Al Qaeda and incites a new class of terrorists to take up arms against the United States. Iraq was never before a hotbed for anti-American terrorism; today, it is a source for such terrorism, as tens of thousands of Iraqis -- many of whom hated Saddam Hussein -- rise up against the foreigners in their midst. A bold and clear call-to-action, Exiting Iraq is essential reading for anyone concerned with the ongoing conflict and the war on terrorism. amazon.com

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (151416)	11/10/2004 11:49:07 PM
From: steve dietrich	Respond to of 281500

If Bush were smart (if frogs had wings!)he'd use the cover of the Iraqi election in January to announce and start a withdraw of U.S. troops. He could then save some face for America by highlighting the fact that Saddam isn't in power, and Iraq had an election. He is on a fools errand if he thinks he is going to maintain any lasting peace, or for that matter to even have stability in Iraq. His domino effect for other countries in the area demanding democracy is a pipe dream.