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To: Road Walker who wrote (1096)	11/23/2004 11:37:30 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 1968

OK, I asked you to prove your claim of 10's of millions killed by communism. Obviously you can't prove that claim, you made it up. amazon.com users.erols.com users.erols.com users.erols.com users.erols.com users.erols.com never "claimed" that Christians killed more than communists. But you put those words in my mouth, and I think that it might be true. But I don't have time to do the research... here is a site about Christian killing, I wish I had the time to look through it all... maybe you do. Have fun. It's interesting, and even you may agree as abhorrent as the killings by the communists? Even accepting the highest estimates from your link killings by Christians are well below the communists or even the Nazis. As for the specific estimates - Rudolph J. Rummel estimates the Crusades butchered 1 million innocent civilian men, women and children (not in combat). That counts killings by both sides and the Crusades were about a little bit more then theology. To an extent they were more of a counter attack to the earlier Islamic expansion rather then an attack. Still the Crusades were a nasty business, as were later religious wars. crusade to exterminate the Cathar people of France (the Albigensians) This clearly counts. It was almost entirely a campaign to enforce religious belief, and it killed a lot of people. The 200,000 estimate doesn't surprise me. The estimates for the Crusades and the campaign against the Albigensians seem realistic, plus more would be added for the campaign against the Stedinger. The estimates for Inquisition seems higher than what I've heard but I don't have a good link available. The 1 million deaths from "which hunters" seems to be way to high, esp. if you exclude "witches" killed by the Inquisition (so as not to double count them). Do I agree that the killing was abhorrent? Yes, but that is not a change. I might not have had all the precise numbers but I'm well aware of the history and my opinion that the killing is abhorrent is nothing new. Tim