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To: Rambi who wrote (65818)	11/12/2004 12:42:55 PM
From: Crocodile	Respond to of 71178

I am just curious about reactions from both sides. hmmm... well, I would be okay with the "There is magic in the theatre" prayer. And I'd be okay with the band's "Don't suck!" thing. But I have to admit that I would find the "Lord's Prayer" a bit out of the usual, especially in a situation where there are people of other religions present. And it's not just that. It's the context. This is a play in a school. It would sort of bother me that such a big thing would be made of a school play that it would necessitate saying the Lord's Prayer. It's not quite like someone is likely to get shot down... possibly pelted with tomatoes, but that's not usually fatal. Of course, you may be asking the wrong person. If anything, I probably lean more towards agnosticism or animism and don't say prayers, but just have thoughts. While I'm not terribly uncomfortable hearing prayers spoken, I tend to regard religion to be a private thing, and often wonder why people speak their prayers out loud anyhow... If, instead, people were to say their prayers to themselves, they could use that moment as they wished... to pray, or perhaps to meditate, or however they prepare for a task. I suppose that's the part that I find odd.... That it is odd that some people have to speak their thoughts and that their speaking may disturb the thoughts of another.... but then, I spend much of my life doing things alone and am used to silence and only speaking inwardly. just one croc's opinion, of course. (o:

To: Rambi who wrote (65818)	11/12/2004 5:11:03 PM
From: Crocodile	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 71178

Rambi, I wanted to wish you "Bon voyage" now, just in case I don't happen to check in here over the next day or so. I'm planning to spend this weekend installing a new window, and if all goes well and the weather holds, I may do another window early next week. Anyhow, have fun on your trip -- I'm sure you will! croc

To: Rambi who wrote (65818)	11/13/2004 3:49:46 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 71178

It's a school function, right? It's not ok for a Muslim to be forced to be in that situation- it's not like she would have the option to gracefully leave without being noticed and therefore stigmatized- and imagine the reaction if she insisted on reading from the Koran before the show, or if a druid wanted to recite pagan prayers... If people would just turn these things around a little, they would see how unsociable and coercive what they are doing is, but people forget to put the shoe on the other foot (imo, of course).

To: Rambi who wrote (65818)	11/26/2004 6:16:38 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 71178

< am feeling more and more uncomfortable about tonight. And I wonder now how hard it is for non-Christian young people in this situation. It must feel very alienating and exclusionary.> Rambi, I've stood holding hands in a circle in California while they prayed for my safe trip to London. I've sung in church with friends who had become new-age Christians. Our daughter was Mary carrying a baby [aged about 10] in a school Christmas show in a big church full of maybe 1000 people. I've experienced the magic of theatre [at the level of pantomime as an actor dragged in to fill some parts] and the prosaic world of reality in drab, bricky, grey, wet and cold Antwerp. We are non-Christian and they are great experiences. I've never felt alienated or excluded. Our children don't seem to have either. On the contrary. Go with the flow and enjoy the show and fantasy, be it theatre of the deliberately fake type or the self-deceiving world of superstition. I am happy to be excluded from Aztec-style religious rituals involving heart hacking, and Islamic Jihadic hand, or head, hacking, or olde-style Christian old testament tortures and burnings at the stake. Mqurice PS: Forgetting lines on stage in front of 1000 people was a peculiar experience, with the magic suddenly disappearing, and the reality arriving, of being on the wrong side of the world, dressed as King Richard, on a stage, with everyone waiting to see what was going to happen next. "What am I doing here?" was top of mind. Life's a giggle. Okay, I'm not young, but our children were and they were fine and cope well with all sorts of weird beliefs.