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To: philv who wrote (21868)	11/13/2004 4:49:26 AM
From: sea_urchin	Respond to of 81003

Phil > That would indeed be trouble, and I doubt the US would stand idly by. Because as Brazil goes, so goes much of South America, the old domino effect. Sure. If Russia messes with Brazil it's like one wolf passing urine on another wolf's tree! Territory is territory. A lot depends on how the US fares in Iraq and I just have a feeling that there are many countries which are quietly doing their best to see that the US fares badly. > India and China maybe, but Russia? All old friends, at different times, but don't forget there are now very strong reasons why the sheep (or maybe, wolves in sheep's clothing) are all huddling together. > Cuba knows what an uncomfortable irritated US can do. Strategically, I think the US would have been a lot better off had it stopped its nonsense with Castro rather than keeping this old sore open, and for no good reason (unless local politics, maybe).

To: philv who wrote (21868)	11/15/2004 3:17:09 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 81003

Re: It seems incredible that Brazil would joining in any power block with Russia. Geographically, the two are not a good fit. You have to think in different terms. As far as resources are concerned, in a bi-lateral Russia-Brazil trade, the natural resources would largely be flowing out of Russia and into Brazil. Petroleum products, steel, palladium and platinum for automobile manufacturing, aluminum for aircraft manufacturing. And the finished products would flow back to Russia. But what is far more interesting is the economic and political fit, which go hand-in-hand. As has been very well known to the elites in the proposed grand alliance in your post, the U.S. has been a predatory monster for the last 50 years. If you don't believe this, then you need to read John Perkins book, "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man". democracynow.org Both Brazil and Russia have been victims of the high-falutin' fancy robbery of the IMF and World Bank. Which has brought to power leaders who are nationalists first and somewhat socialistic in their orientation in the second place. If you look at the political map of South America, you'll see that as the U.S. move inexorably to the Right, politically, that Latin America is just as surely moving to the Left. Uruguay just elected the first socialist President in its 150 year history. Lula ran Left and is governing as a centrist only because of the constraints placed on him by the IMF and World Bank, a yoke he'd just as soon be out from under. For reasons that are obvious from the Perkins book. The world is naturally aligning in opposition to the mad scheme concocted by the half-cocked neo-cons in Washington. No one in their right mind is going to willingly capitulate to these lunatic Mayberry Machiavellians. Except the even more lunatic Christian evangelicals in the Bible Belt of the U.S. See: atimes.com In the middle of this article is the most frightening chart I've seen in months.