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To: Dayuhan who wrote (85986)	11/14/2004 11:49:49 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793607

I have seen no credible argument, anywhere, to suggest that gay marriage would have any significant “cascading effect”, pose any measurable risk to anyone, or infringe upon anyone’s rights. People want to prohibit it simply because they find it distasteful. I find it distasteful: the idea of two guys kissing turns my stomach. I just don’t think my personal tastes - or anybody else’s, even if those tastes are shared by a majority – are sufficient grounds to tell anyone that they can’t do what they want to do. The issue isn't about telling someone they can't do what they want to do. When someone wants to marry they don't just want to do something, they want recognition and support of their actions and their relationship by society and the government. Without such recognition and support they are free to have some form of ceremony, they are free to live together, have a sexual relationship, tell other people they are married, ect, so this really isn't a freedom issue. The best argument I can see for recognition of gay marriage is an equal treatment / fairness argument. A strong argument can be made along those lines, and perhaps at some point society might go along with it. I think society is at least close to accepting something like marrige without the use of that term. Some "civil union" or whatever you want to call it. That would pretty much cover the equal treatment of the law argument while giving some nod to important traditions and the opinions of many tens of millions of people who don't consider such relationships to be marriages.

To: Dayuhan who wrote (85986)	11/15/2004 1:08:14 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793607

You make some points worth considering. But focussing back on the issue of gay marriage, it is really quite simple. Most people believe that marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman. 11 of 11 ballot measures in a cross section of states show overwhelming support for the traditional idea of marriage. There are many reasons why voters choose to vote against gay marriage, but the bottom line is that U.S. voters are not prepared to put gay relationships on an equal footing, morally or legally, with hetero relationships. It's that simple. Some judges have overruled the people's will on this topic. But this is a democracy and the people's will will ultimately prevail. As it always does.