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To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (660368)	11/15/2004 10:20:35 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™	Respond to of 769667

Good questions, but don't expect an intelligent answer... GZ

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (660368)	11/27/2004 4:49:16 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

I am not familiar with the "methodology" of the Munson study, only that it was specifically to determine the loyalty of Japanese American citizens, took place over several years, determined that they demonstrated a "high degree of loyalty," and their findings were corroborated by Naval Intelligence. I'll guess though: They spied on them, and when they looked at the intelligence gathered over years, wrote the report. Since the study was corroborated by Naval Intelligence, I conclude that they'd gather some intelligence of their own on that community. "Results so explosive as to be hidden from sight"? How explosive is the news to a population in a "A Jap is a Jap" / "Yellow Peril" mood that a multi-year study of JA citizens showed them to have a "high degree of loyalty," and that the study was corroborated by Naval Intelligence? It sounds, in fact, calming, to me. Perhaps if the citizens who were so scared of their farmer and grocer neighbors (and pleased enough to buy their vacant homes and farms and goods for pennies on the dollar) had been allowed to see that report, their hatred and depredations would have been mitigated. (If mitigation was desired.) Army Intelligence, the FBI, and the Justice Department did see it, and they all opposed the internments. Even in retrospect, you don't. JC, you asked me a question about the victims of Karla Faye Tucker. This offers me an opportunity. I'm proposing that we trade answers! You've written that you used to teach, and didn't like reading the papers of your students, and made little comment on them. I've wondered why it is that you routinely decline to answer questions I ask of you, and wondered to myself whether such condescension might represent an extension of your self-described professorial mode. I've also observed, with frustration, that a change of subject is a routine response on your part to a question posed to you about a position you have taken. Or, I may post several points to you and have you ignore all but one, leaving me wondering why I bothered. I'll post my question, the one I'd really like to get an answer to, next, separately. Then I'll post for discussion by the thread your interesting analogy of the Japanese American situation in some respects to that of Iraqi Americans. (continued...)

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (660368)	11/27/2004 4:49:51 PM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Okay, continuation: You and I have discussed ad infinitum the issue of American internment of Japanese American citizens. I find it and the vicious racist rhetoric accompanying it in our media and from many government officials a shameful episode in our history. You have, I believe, (but I mix you up with JDB sometimes, I know; if I do that, or did it above, correct me) offered your theory that the reason they didn't commit treason was that they were incarcerated, and that their incarceration was reasonable. (You never responded to my query about why the Hawaiian JA's who were not interred didn't iyo engage in treasonous behavior.) You've expressed no regrets, no shame, for what our country did, unconstitutionally, to those of its citizens. (Though I believe you have moved recently least to at least acknowledging that "the execution" of the internment of those citizens was less than perfect.) I'd like to get from you a direct answer to this question, and then maybe from the thread at large a discussion of the interesting question you raise in analogizing it in some respects to a situation that might exist with Iraqi Americans today, or impendingly. I'll post that question separately. This is a question I'd very much appreciate a direct, responsive reply to: Why weren't the assets of these American citizens who had never been charged with any crime protected? Their homes, their livelihoods, If it was felt (albeit not by the FBI, Army Intelligence, or the Justic Department) to be necessary for "security" to imprison thousands of innocent families? Was it an appalling injustice in your opinion for them to be impoverished as well as imprisoned? Do you suspect racism to be at the root, based on the rampant racist rhetoric so widespread at the time, and on the fact that it was known that there were hundreds of thousands of Nazi Bund members (the had rallies in Madison Square Garden, for example) and only the tiniest percentage of German Americans, all of them actual suspects, not merely citizens of German descent, were detained? Do you see the treatment of Japanese Americans, the incarceration itself, the harshness of the conditions imposed, and the impoverishment inevitably visited on those families, as shameful and unjust? Edit: I thought we were on Feelies. Hmmm. I think I'll switch over there. Somehow. LOL. I have that third issue....