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To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (660805)	11/16/2004 2:38:34 PM
From: willcousa	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

There are some important distinctions to be made in regard to the interments you list. The JA was of US citizens and residents who had committed no crime. Most, if not all, of the Guantanamo detainess are not US citizens or residents. It is highly questionable whether they have many, if any, constitutional rights. The detainees were encountered on the battlefield engaged in battle against our citizens. Many were not in uniform and thus did not meet the requirements to be considered enemy combatants under the Geneva Conventions. So one cannot advance this debate by trying to roll these groups all up into a nice, little ball.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (660805)	11/16/2004 6:57:30 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

There is a limit to how often one can go over the same ground, the same questions, and the same answers. Has this theorem been proven? :-) I don't think it is brought up just for purposes of idle debate. Oh, I don't doubt what you say for a moment. wiilcousa made good points about Gitmo. The detainees there are not citizens and did not meet the standards set by the Geneva Conventions to be considered POWs.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (660805)	11/16/2004 9:34:01 PM
From: DavesM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

The FBI and J.E. Hoover was opposed to the internment of Japanese Americans. To say that Japanese Americans were not assimilated, is like complaining that blacks didn't vote in the Jim Crow South. It was illegal for asians to become Naturalized citizens in the United States till the 50's. Further, many western states passed laws that made it illegal for non citizens to own property. Samuel Gompers forbade any asians joining his union (so they couldn't hold a union job, couldn't own property, and couldn't become a citizen). And actually, while individual members of the ALCU were opposed to internment, the National ACLU was not opposed to the internment of Japanese Americans. You should understand the price of racial/ethnic stereotyping. The commanders of American forces in Hawaii were warned that war was eminent. In 1940, close to 40% of the population in Hawaii were of Japanese ancestry. Over 1000 Japanese Americans were members of the Hawaiian National Guard - with duties including guarding U.S. military bases in Hawaii. So thinking that Japanese Americans were probably not really THAT loyal, and not really assimilated as REAL Americans, the Commanders made a decision. They decided that sabotage was a greater threat than an attack by the Japanese Imperial Navy. They parked their fighter aircraft in neat rows on the tarmac, and away from Japanese Americans, out at the perimeter of the bases. re: "That is what happened in 1942. We were in a state of war. All logic and common sense pointed to the non-assimilated JA populations on the West coast as a potential threat to national security. Certain of their civil liberties were then abrogated, temporarily. Ultimately, the U.S. Supreme Court decreed that the measure taken was necessary and appropriate. In the wake of 9/11, we now face some of the same difficult choices and decisions. We have already taken measures not very dissimilar to those in 1942."