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To: Road Walker who wrote (211828)11/16/2004 6:36:11 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1583913
 
Not just at the low end of the scale.

Manufacturing jobs OTOH are not something that is likely to grow in the US esp. basic manufacturing jobs that someone without extensive education or training can perform. Part of this is do to competition, but the biggest reason is greater productivity. Manufacturing output in the US is on a long term trend up while at the same time manufacturing employment is on a long term trend down. Its similar to how in the past agriculture employed most "average Joes" and now it employees very few people. Manufacturing covers more areas than agriculture does so I don't imagine it will employ less people than agriculture in the even remotely foreseeable future but the tend downwards could be similar, if perhaps slightly less pronounced, then the earlier downward trend in agricultural employment. It just takes less people to make things these days, even though we are making more things.

Tim



To: Road Walker who wrote (211828)11/20/2004 11:55:39 AM
From: hmaly  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1583913
 
John Re... Yea, at the very low end of the scale,

Which is part of the reason the left lost the election. You can't tell the truth. The truth is that the number of jobs is growing, and you admit it. Now you say, yes the number of jobs is growing, but they are low paying jobs, which to most people, makes your original statement a lie. Secondly you claim they are going overseas, when in fact, most of the jobs are lost to productivity gains, i e, one man, with a modicum of skill, can run several numeric lathes; lathes which automatically can do multiple operations on a piece, far quicker, and more accurately, than even the most skilled operator. Eventually, almost all labor intensive jobs, which can be automated, such as sewing, will come back to the US, because the automated machines will be cheaper, or close to as cheap as low cost labor, and then shipping, duties etc. become more expensive. So, instead of being our downfall, technology will be our salvation.

And we're not creating high paying jobs.

My, my,my, what a lovely bogus phrase. Everyday you read about growing corporate management pay , and their options. What you say, you were talking democratic party backers jobs, such as union workers or lawyers. The trouble is, when the lefties think of high paying jobs, they think of lawyers, but the general public thinks; who in hell wants more of them. And when the lefties talk of high paying manufacturing jobs, they are talking about only the good side of unions. Not the unions resultant featherbedding, and other anti, productivity gains practices, driving away manufacturing. And there is a fine line when talking about good environmental regulation, or anti business regulation, driving away manufacturing or are we talking about corporate greed. The simple truth is that management needs labor, and vice versa. The unions treat productivity gains as the enemy; and both unions and management treat each other as the enemy. That is hardly a good way to run a business.

Instead of each side blaming the other, all sides need to work together. Unions need to recognize the companies need to modernize, and companies need to recognize the need of paying workers a living wage, so they can become customers with money. And government needs to recognize both the economy, as well as productivity. We are all in this together, and we will all live or die together. The left wants to treat the rich as someone who is preying upon the environment, and the poor, and then hires lobbyists to avoid paying taxes; when in truth, the rich simply are looking for ways to maximise profits. If it makes sense to hire American, they will. It is up to the unions to make their case, such that companies hire them. It is up to the gov. to make their case, that it pays to consider environmental regulations, no matter which country you manufacture in. And the left needs to recognize, just who or what is costing them jobs; productivity, featherbedding, or foreign competition. To just blame the rich, or corporations, is missing the part unions, or regulations play in the total picture.