To: Wayners who wrote (661135 ) 11/17/2004 1:37:28 PM From: Proud_Infidel Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 769670 Cmon, are the animals doing something wrong? Of course not. But if we can get by without eating meat why wouldn't we? Tolstoy, one of the great minds of all time I am sure you would agree, said that someday eating meat would be viewed the same way cannibalism is viewed now. Animals can think and have feelings, no less than humans. Meat was a central part of my diet until about 5 years ago. I always knew it was wrong for me int he back of my head, but seeing a pig killed by the side of the road while I was traveling made me see, what I consider to be a great evil. If you cannot view it as an issue of righ/wrong in regards to the animals life, why not look at it as immoral in terms of resources used for one pound of meant. Do you know how much fresh water, and grains go to make one piece of prime rib? Several thousand gallons and much grains. When people are starving, this is indeed a moral issue. Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 20,000 Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 165 Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.: Livestock portion Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25 Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2,500 And finally, if you cannot see it as a moral issue, be selfish. Cancer and heart disease are effects of meat consumption.hippy.com members.iinet.net.au I have from an early age abjured the use of meat, and the time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look upon the murder of men. --Leonardo Da Vinci (1452-1519) Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. --Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Nothing more strongly arouses our disgust than cannibalism, yet we make the same impression on Buddhists and vegetarians, for we feed on babies, though not our own. --Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-1894) Animals are my friends...and I don't eat my friends. --George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) "A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. And to act so is immoral." --Leo Tolstoy For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love. --Pythagoras (6th century BC) It is strange to hear people talk of Humanitarianism, who are members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to children and animals, and who claim to be God-loving men and women, but who, nevertheless, encourage by their patronage the killing of animals merely to gratify the cravings of appetite. --Otoman Zar-Adusht Ha'nish (1844-1936) But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy. --Plutarch (c.AD 46-c.120)