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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (152176)11/21/2004 10:51:09 AM
From: carranza2  Respond to of 281500
 
What is it about the modern Left that reliably sides with theocratic fascist states against democracies?

Who knows.

I think it has to do with a failure to understand or even study history and historical trends which have been in place for centuries, not to mention how religion currently affects both.

This excerpt from a piece by Hitchens describes the process brilliantly, but does not explain it:

slate.msn.com

Only one faction in American politics has found itself able to make excuses for the kind of religious fanaticism that immediately menaces us in the here and now. And that faction, I am sorry and furious to say, is the left. From the first day of the immolation of the World Trade Center, right down to the present moment, a gallery of pseudointellectuals has been willing to represent the worst face of Islam as the voice of the oppressed. How can these people bear to reread their own propaganda? Suicide murderers in Palestine—disowned and denounced by the new leader of the PLO—described as the victims of "despair." The forces of al-Qaida and the Taliban represented as misguided spokespeople for antiglobalization. The blood-maddened thugs in Iraq, who would rather bring down the roof on a suffering people than allow them to vote, pictured prettily as "insurgents" or even, by Michael Moore, as the moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers. If this is liberal secularism, I'll take a modest, God-fearing, deer-hunting Baptist from Kentucky every time, as long as he didn't want to impose his principles on me (which our Constitution forbids him to do).

I am also reminded of Rushdie's statement upon hearing the Archbishop of Canterbury's "root cause" reaction to Khomeini's fatwa ordering Rushdie's assassination, as described by Mark Steyn;

Second, the squeamishness of the establishment: Rushdie was infuriated when the Archbishop of Canterbury lapsed into root-cause mode. "I well understand the devout Muslims' reaction, wounded by what they hold most dear and would themselves die for," said His Grace. Rushdie replied tersely: "There is only one person around here who is in any danger of dying."

Although I'm only quoting a bit of Steyn's article, it deserves to be read and re-read:

canadiangrassroots.ca

Yep. The left is a mess. The "root cause" people were, in Rushdie's case, the equivalent of book burners.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (152176)11/22/2004 3:53:47 AM
From: frankw1900  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
What is it about the modern Left that reliably sides with theocratic fascist states against democracies?

"Left" is kind of vague because it includes quite a large spectrum of folk but to varying degrees the following remarks do apply to a very large portion of it.

A huge part of the left adopted models based on socialism and communism. The last twenty years the practical application of these ideologies in delivering either freedom or material security has been thoroughly discredited by events. Much of the left is in denial about this, and that's not surprising since so many leftists invested themselves in these ideologies in various ways.

Many leftists thus feel abandoned by the modern world - which is dedicated to reason and democracy - and are fooled by the often socialist and anti-colonialist sounding rhetoric of the theocratic fascists and mistakenly support them as allies.

The denial by a large part of the left can been seen in its blindness towards the anti-reason and anti-democratic stance of Iranian, Saddamite, Syrian, Palestinian, etc, rulers.