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To: sea_urchin who wrote (21934)	11/21/2004 9:22:57 AM
From: sea_urchin	Respond to of 80936

> We are bogged down in the Middle East because of Israel, not oil. telegraph.co.uk >>Powell 'pushed out' by Bush for seeking to rein in Israel Colin Powell, the outgoing US secretary of state, was given his marching orders after telling President George W Bush that he wanted greater power to confront Israel over the stalled Middle East peace process. "The clincher came over the Mid-East peace process," said a recently-retired state department official. "Powell thought he could use the credit he had banked as the president's 'good cop' in foreign policy to rein in Ariel Sharon [Israel's prime minister] and get the peace process going. He was wrong." Bob Woodward, the veteran Washington reporter who was granted unprecedented access to the first Bush administration for his books Bush At War and Plan Of Attack, said last week that Mr Powell had been "dreaming" if he thought that he could stay on.<<

To: sea_urchin who wrote (21934)	11/21/2004 10:02:39 AM
From: philv	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 80936

Searle, I have known for quite some time that the middle east was not the greatest source of oil for the U.S. But it doesn't really matter, because in a sense, it is a single world market now, and if others did not have access to Arab oil, they would be bidding up the price for whatever is available. Oil was certainly a very important consideration in my opinion. Note that the oil fields were firstly protected in the US invasion. Oil money talks! They thought that Iraqi oil would handsomely pay for their "liberation". The benefit to Israel of course also played a major part in the decision to make war. There have been many instances of dictators in other parts of the world and humanitarian crisis far eclipsing what may have occurred in Iraq (Rawanda for example) without incurring US military intervention. But they had no strategic (oil-money) interest for the U.S., so they just don't matter. Besides, how could Rawanda, for example, ever reimburse the US for their "kindness"? I never underestimate the power and influence of money. The world is locked in an unfortunate situation where the Arabs have lots of oil on the one hand, and the Jews controlling much of the money in the world on the other. And their ancient feud shows no sign of diminishing, instead drawing in the rest of the world because of oil and money. The Arabs are blessed with oil, the Jews are blessed with money. Or is it they are both cursed?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (21934)	11/22/2004 5:30:11 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 80936

Re: We are bogged down in the Middle East because of Israel, not oil. Iraq was perceived as a threat to Israel, not to Saudi Arabia and certainly not to us. Indeed... and here's why Israel --with its exclusive sovereignty over Jerusalem-- is so important to US elites: Message 20124234 Of course, to admit the above would lead to debunk the very democratic myth about the US --and, incidentally, its EU allies... I once pointed out that, unlike US opinion, Arabs at least perfectly know why they're at war with Israel and its US patron: they are well aware of the religious and ideological fanaticism that underpins the Zionist agenda... That's why, in the early days of the current Iraq war, a Baghdadi answered his TV interviewer: "We don't want the Americans to stay... we know Bush wants to turn us Iraqis into Palestinians..." And Arab leaders don't cheat their public opinion on the ins and outs of US involvement in the region.... Yet, contrariwise, US --and to some extent, EU-- opinion is shamelessly bamboozled and kept in the dark... Ironically, it's the self-proclaimed Western democracies that struggle to hide and censor the REAL motive that drive their Mideast policies, namely, an exclusive Judeo-Christian grip on Jerusalem (). Both the US and its European auxiliaries must conceal it because their respective opinions wouldn't abide by such an irrational, mythological agenda... They're no longer willing to spill their blood for the sake of lunatic rabbis and televangelists. Another rationale, more mundane, more sensible, more acceptable, must be offered to them --hence the "pincer propaganda"! US public opinion got trapped between two equally bogus rationalizations of the Iraq war: the WMD hoax for right-wing conservatives, and the "greedy oilmen" for left-wing bleeding hearts.... Gus () tzemach.org