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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (57222)11/21/2004 11:35:48 PM
From: Alan SmitheeRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
A little bitter, are we?

Get over it and move on.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (57222)11/22/2004 10:29:37 AM
From: BillRespond to of 81568
 
Dear Lizzie came back. I was worried about you. Thought you might have jumped, or worse, moved to France. You need a big hug. Don't worry, everything will be alright. The crazies have been vanquished.
-g-



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (57222)11/22/2004 11:11:54 AM
From: Augustus GloopRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
<<I don't bother with the Bush thread, I only posted on it when there was no Kerry thread.>>

Really?

Message 20721898

<<Since most white trash folks live in the red states I believe my statement and general sentiment that dumb white people are all that goes for Bush, stands.>>

Brilliant. You're so smart you can now identify individual intellect based on which state a person lives in.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (57222)11/22/2004 11:46:47 AM
From: SkywatcherRespond to of 81568
 
New Documents Reveal Bush Administration Allowed Drilling Under National Park Service Areas
Rules Made in Secret Would Affect More Than a Dozen Park Service Areas

WASHINGTON -- November 17 -- The Sierra Club today released documents showing that the Bush administration gave special treatment to Texas-based Davis Brothers Oil Producers, Inc., when it reversed a longstanding policy in order to allow oil and gas drilling underneath certain national parks, preserves and refuges regardless of potential environmental impacts. More than a dozen National Park Service areas could be impacted by the rule, including Big Thicket National Preserve and Padre Island National Seashore in Texas, New River Gorge in West Virginia, and Big Cypress National Preserve in Florida.

Documents obtained by Sierra Club through the Freedom of Information Act show that the Bush administration changed the rule specifically at the request of Ross Davis, who runs Davis Brothers Oil Producers. Moreover, the administration made its decision in secret and bypassed the regular rulemaking process, which allows for public input and a high degree of transparency.

“These documents show that the Bush administration bent over backwards to help its friends in the oil and gas industry even when the facts showed that its policy would harm national parks," said Brandt Mannchen of the Sierra Club’s Lone Star Chapter, who has been tracking drilling problems around Big Thicket National Preserve in Texas. "This administration seems to think there are two sets of rules, one for oil and gas companies and one for everyone else."

In an effort to right the wrong, the Sierra Club today took legal action to overturn this new rule, asserting that the Bush administration broke the law by cutting the public out of a back-door process of adopting a new rule. The group filed a complaint in federal district court arguing that the Bush administration adopted the new rule in blatant disregard of its obligations to protect America’s National Parks.

In November 2003, the NPS issued a new policy that allows private companies unrestricted access to oil and gas underneath NPS units so long as they drill for it at an angle from outside park boundaries using "directional drilling." This new rule ties the National Park Service’s hands, forcing them to turn a blind eye to the destruction that may occur around the Park Service areas as a result of the drilling. Prior to the new rule, the National Park Service required oil and gas companies to prove that proposed drilling would not harm the National Park Service unit.

“The Bush administration broke the law. Now they must reinstate the Park Service’s authority to require full environmental review and approval of oil and gas companies’ drilling operations adjacent to park boundaries,” said Pat Gallagher, Sierra Club legal director.

Private oil and gas development is generally prohibited within the National Park system. However, more than a dozen specific areas are unique in that the Park Service only owns the surface rights, while private entities hold title to the subsurface minerals.

Areas that are affected by the new rule include:

Gulf Islands National Seashore – Alabama

Big Cypress National Preserve – Florida

Tallgrass Prairie National Preserve -- Kansas

Big South Fork National River and Recreation Area -- Kentucky

Jean Lafitte National Historic Park and Preserve -- Louisiana

Aztec Ruins National Monument -- New Mexico

Cuyahoga Valley National Park -- Ohio

Obed Wild and Scenic River -- Tennessee

Big Thicket National Preserve -- Texas

Alibates Flint Quarries National Monument -- Texas

Lake Meredith National Recreation Area -- Texas

Padre Island National Seashore -- Texas

Gauley River National Recreation Area -- West Virginia

New River Gorge National River -- West Virginia.

For a copy of documents pertaining to the case, please contact Annie Strickler at (202) 675-2384 or Eric Antebi at (415) 977-5747.

commondreams.org



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (57222)11/22/2004 12:50:48 PM
From: stockman_scottRespond to of 81568
 
Votergate film now available:

votergate.tv

Describes how the machines can be rigged, and votes changed on the tabulator.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (57222)11/22/2004 6:11:04 PM
From: hdlRespond to of 81568
 
how do you compare the education and class of blacks in the u s a with the whites in the red states?



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (57222)11/22/2004 6:15:53 PM
From: Brumar89Respond to of 81568
 
I understand Bush got 44% of the hispanic vote, up from 35%. Also while Bush only increased his % of the black vote only marginally nationwide, that increase was greatest in FL, OH, and PA, where he got 13%, 16% and 16%, respectively. Something else interesting, Bush got 42% of the vote in liberal Beverly Hills, up from 20% in 2000.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (57222)11/22/2004 6:41:56 PM
From: WaynersRespond to of 81568
 
You're Racist. Bigot. Intolerant.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (57222)11/22/2004 6:48:54 PM
From: sea_biscuitRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 81568
 
I fully agree. I shudder to think of life in those "red" states, if the "blue" states with their large GDPs, large tax contributions and hi-tech were not there along for the ride.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (57222)11/22/2004 7:34:26 PM
From: geode00Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
Right-o. The ugly reality is that the Potted Plant allows the frightened racist, bigoted bunch of red state knuckle-draggers to voice their fear of demographics. He gives them the ok to be the idiots that they are striving to be: give up their own financial future and that of their children in order to pretend they live in the Fictitious Fifties.

The reality is that the light-beige types will be a minority in the USA in less than 50 years. Ooops! Then again, they were the minority here a coupla centuries ago as well.

What goes around.........

It's that fear of the furriners (HA!) that makes them point to Kerry and claim that those who like foreign things aren't true Amuuuuricans. It's the triumphant melding of trailer trash with evil and corruption.

What a sight to behold. They are bankrupting the USA both financially and morally.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (57222)12/14/2004 4:29:10 PM
From: stockman_scottRespond to of 81568
 
Startling New Revelations Highlight Rare Congressional Hearings on Ohio Vote

by Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman

Published on Monday, December 13, 2004 by The Free Press (Columbus, Ohio)

commondreams.org


Startling new revelations about Ohio's presidential vote have been uncovered as Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee join Rev. Jesse Jackson in Columbus, the state capital, on Monday, Dec. 13, to hold a rare field hearing into election malfeasance and manipulation in the 2004 vote. The Congressional delegation will include Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, and others.

Taken together, the revelations show Republicans – in state and county government, and in the Ohio Republican Party – were determined to undermine and suppress Democratic turnout by a wide variety of methods.

The revelations were included in affidavits gathered for an election challenge lawsuit filed Monday at the Ohio Supreme Court. Ohio's Republican Electoral College representatives are also to meet at noon, Monday, at the State House, even though the presidential recount, requested by the Green and Libertarian Parties, is only beginning the same day.

On Sunday, John Kerry spoke with Rev. Jesse Jackson and urged him to take an more active role in investigating the irregularities and ensuring a fair and impartial recount. Kerry said there were three areas of inquiry that should be addressed: 92,000 ballots that recorded no vote for president; qualifying and counting provisional ballots; and supported an independent analysis of the software and set-up of the optical scan voting machines.

What follows are excerpts from some of the affidavits for the election challenge.

* In Warren County, where election officers declared a homeland security emergency on Election Day, and barred reporters and others from watching the vote count, it now has been revealed that county employees were told the previous Thursday they should prepare for the Election Day lockdown. That disclosure suggests the lockdown was a political decision, not a true security risk. Moreover, statements also describe how ballots were left unguarded and unprotected in a warehouse on Election Day, and they were hastily moved after county officials received complaints.

* In Franklin County, where Columbus is located, the election director, Matt Damschroder, misinformed a federal court on Election Day when he testified the county had no additional voting machines – in response to a Voting Rights Act lawsuit brought by the state Democratic Party that minority precincts were intentionally deprived of machines. It now appears as many as 81 voting machines were being held back, out of 2,866 available, according to recent statements by Damschroder and Bill Anthony, the chairman of the Franklin County Board of Elections. The shortage of machines in Democratic-leaning districts lead to long lines and thousands of people leaving in frustration and not voting. Damschroder's contradictory statements raise the possibility of perjury.

* Also in Franklin County, a worker at the Holiday Inn observed a team of 25 people who called themselves the "Texas Strike Force" using payphones to make intimidating calls to likely voters, targeting people recently in the prison system. The "Texas Strike Force" members paid their way to Ohio, but their hotel accommodations were paid for by the Ohio Republican Party, whose headquarters is across the street. The hotel worker heard one caller threaten a likely voter with being reported to the FBI and returning to jail if he voted. Another hotel worker called the police, who came but did nothing.

* In Knox County, students at Kenyon College, a liberal arts school, stood in line for up to 11 hours, because only one voting machine was in use. However, at nearby Mt. Vernon Nazarene University, there were ample voting machines and no lines. This suggests the GOP shorting of voting machines was a more widespread tactic than just targeting inner-city neighborhoods.

* Reports in sworn affadavits affirm numerous instances of direct official interference with the right to vote. In Warren County, Democrats were being targeted and forced to use provisional ballots, even if they had proper identification. These ballots were then subjected to more rigorous standards to be counted than were other ballots. In a half-dozen precincts in Franklin County, people who were not inside polling places by 7:30 PM were told to leave - even if they had waited in line for hours. This is a violation of the Voting Rights Act. Sworn affidavits also confirmed reports of old voter rolls being used, meaning that new voters were not on the list and would be given provisional ballots, if allowed to vote at all.

Affidavits were also filed in support of the election challenge suit raising questions about manipulating exit poll results and computer tabulation of county and statewide votes.

In one exit poll affidavit, Jonathan David Simon, an expert witness, notes that at 12:53 a.m. the exit polls altered the projected winner – even though the same number of votes had been cast. "Although each update reports the same number of respondents (872), the reported results differ significantly, with the latter (12:53 a.m.) exit poll results apparently having been brought into congruence with the tabulated vote results." In other words, the exit polls were made to conform to a political decision to declare Bush the victor.

Another exit poll affidavit, filed by Ron Paul Baiman, an economist and statistician at the University of Illinois and University of Chicago, said the swing in national exit poll results, recorded at 12:33 a.m., when Kerry was winning with 50.8 percent of the vote, to Bush winning with 51.2 percent, was, "in lay terms, impossible."

"This is more than a 100 percent swing in the other direction of the exit poll margin, he said. "There is less than a one in 25,000,000 (1/25,507,308) chance of this occurring."

Another affidavit by Richard Hayes Phillips, a geomorphology Ph.D. from University of Oregon with a special expertise in spotting anomalous data, found dramatic examples of erroneous voting patterns – with votes taken away from Kerry - that can only be explained by computer manipulation.

For instance, in 16 precincts in Cleveland, he found votes that were shifted from Kerry to other candidates. In at least 30 precincts, there was ultra-low voter turnout reported – as low as 7.1 percent or 13.05 percent – and seven entire wards where total turnout was below 50 percent. He writes, "Kerry won Cleveland with 83.27 percent of the vote to 15.88 percent for Bush. If voter turnout were really 60 percent of registered voters, as seems likely based on turnout in other major cities of Ohio, rather than 49.89 percent as reported, Kerry's margin of victory in Cleveland has been wrongly reduced by 22,000 votes."

Phillips points to other counties where has says "there is compelling evidence of fraud." In Miami County early on election night, when 31,620 votes had been counted, and later, when 50,235 votes were counted, "Kerry had exactly the same percentage, 33.92 percent, and the percentage for George Bush was almost exactly the same, dropping by 0.03 percent from 65.80 to 65.77 percent. The second set of returns gave Bush a margin of exactly 16,000 votes, giving cause to question the integrity of the central counting device for the optical scan machines. "

He cites many other examples, but summarizes his findings: "It is my professional opinion that John Kerry's margins of victory were wrongly reduced by 22,000 votes in Cleveland, by 17,000 votes in Columbus, and by as many as 7,000 votes in Toledo. It is my further professional opinion that John Kerry's margins of defeat in Warren, Butler, and Clermont Counties were inflated by as many as 37,000 votes in the aggregate, and in Miami County by as many as 6,000 votes. There are still 92,672 uncounted regular ballots that, based upon the analysis set forth of the election results from Dayton and Cincinnati, may be expected to break for John Kerry by an overwhelming margin. And there are still 14,441 uncounted provisional ballots."

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Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of OHIO'S STOLEN ELECTION: VOICES OF THE DISENFRANCHISED, 2004, upcoming from www.freepress.org