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To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (89256)	11/23/2004 12:29:22 AM
From: MulhollandDrive	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

the whole "bad behavior" argument is pretty absurd indeed.... to think that people decrying such a statement as this: To: Rainy_Day_Woman who wrote (89068) 11/22/2004 6:57:51 PM From: Grainne Read Replies (5) of 89261 Live by the gun, die by the gun . . . at least there are some animals now who are not going to be murdered by those five. a most snarky, offensive disregard for the loss of lives of innocent human beings as 'bad behavior' is sophistry.... poorly executed and weak sophistry at that

To: Jorj X Mckie who wrote (89256)	11/23/2004 8:04:22 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 108807

It has nothing to do with "any of those who have objected to grainne's asinine post will change their opinion about her or about whether a deer's life is more valuable than that of six human beings?: I don't WANT you to change your mind. In fact, I happen to agree with you. And that you want to make it personal, that you want to dredge up stuff about me, the poster, makes my point. The only point I am trying to make, is that when we see an offensive statement, or hear one in 3d, we have many choices, We can 1.ignore it (what is the harm in that? Sure, we don't get to express our anger and outrage- but maybe a little less expression of anger and outrage would make the world more pleasant. OK- maybe you don't agree- but we could talk about that civilly, perhaps.) We can 2. engage rationally, and explain reasonably what our problem is with the statement that has been made. Does this always work? Well, obviously not- I'm not making such good headway here. But at least I am not angry at anyone- not at you, not at anyone here, and my pulse isn't racing, and I'm not thinking what a bad person any of you here are (and I'm not saying you are doing that, but being angry, and posting angry, tends to make people generally angry. I'm speaking generally here. Don't put the shoe on if it doesn't fit. And you are right about bad behavior- I used a loaded word. Perhaps I should have said "behavior that totally shuts down all meaningful communication, as it relates to the exchange of views with people who do not holkd your opinion". I grant you, I was thinking of this shut down as "bad". I see it as bad. But not everyone would. I concede that point. We can 3. Post our indignation- and where does that get us? I'm trying to see what the pay off is, what the utility of this method is. I'm trying to understand why it is not a "bad" thing, and why you might think it is the kind of thing to defend. I would expect, if you defend it, that there is some result that you like. If there is no result that you like, maybe, just maybe, we rethink the "posting our indignation" thing- and we try some other method that works. "Maybe those posting are not fighting for anything except righteous indignation (by their definition, of course). Maybe they are simply having a natural human emotional response to a situation that needs no justification and no purpose other than the release of that emotional response. Because that doesn't fit into your tidy communication package, does not make it bad behavior (except by your own personal definition, of course)." So they have expressed themselves. And in so expressing they add to the polarization of the net, probably throw out insults that last beyond the memory of the underlying topic, and make SI a less friendly place. Is it worth it, this emotional expressionism? Hey, it's just a thought. But I hope it wasn't insulting to anyone.