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To: unclewest who wrote (88061)	11/24/2004 9:30:57 AM
From: Augustus Gloop	Respond to of 793543

Yeah I went hunting in a group last week. None of has a thing to drink while we were out with a gun. <<Some, like you have already convicted one of the shooters.>> The police said he "hunted them down." That indicates (to me) that even if a shot was fired at him by 1 person not all the deaths were self defense or necessary.

To: unclewest who wrote (88061)	12/23/2004 11:51:16 PM
From: Augustus Gloop	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793543

We're about to find out Update Vang could use self-defense, insanity defenses Updated: 12-20-2004 10:22:34 AM ST. PAUL (AP) - Legal experts say self-defense and insanity are the two most likely defenses for the St. Paul man accused of killing six Wisconsin hunters. Chai Soua Vang reportedly denied shooting anybody before admitting that he shot the hunters -- including two who survived. A preliminary hearing is set for December 29th. Under Wisconsin law, a "perfect" self-defense would lead to acquittal if it could be shown that Vang acted reasonably to save himself. An "imperfect" self-defense would assert that he believed he needed to defend himself -- even if that belief was not reasonable. If insanity or a mental health defense were argued, attorneys would need to show Vang suffered from a "mental disease or defect" that left him unable to control or understand his actions. Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved