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To: Graystone who wrote (406)	11/24/2004 2:21:22 AM
From: Jorj X Mckie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 415

use some logic You have someone trespassing on your property. A group of people goes out to confront the guy and ask him to leave. Now, if they were looking for a gunfight, they would have brought more guns. And when the were there, if they felt threatened, they would have retreated or at least taken cover before firing a shot...warning or otherwise, because the guy had the drop on them from an elevated position. Based on logic and common sense, there is no doubt in my mind that the asshole in the tree fired first and then that the others fired back with their one rifle when attacked. Do I think that there was a warning shot fired? of course not! these are hunters, they know that warning shots are only fired in movies. The whole warning shot thing is a red herring and pure speculation. If a group of hunters was really looking for a gunfight, don't you think they would have brought more guns? They got massacred. 8 people showed up, 8 people got shot and 6 got killed. That's some pretty damned good shooting if he was under fire. the whole time. Let me ask you this. Once he killed the guy with the one rifle, do you think he was justified in killing the others? I'm sure we will have the Chai Vang defense fund set up here on SI before too long. I'm sure y'all will elevate him to the status of "victim of hate crimes" and "animal rights advocate" real soon. But really, he and the hunters aren't what this is about, it is about some silly twit making an indefensible statement and a bunch of mental masturbators trying to defend that statement. that's all

To: Graystone who wrote (406)	11/24/2004 2:56:48 AM
From: Jorj X Mckie	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 415

of course this isn't relevant.....Chai Vang wasn't a hot head at all.... Minneapolis police said they arrested Chai Vang on Christmas Eve 2001 after he waved a gun and threatened to kill his wife. No charge was filed because she didn't cooperate with authorities, spokesman Ron Reier said. St. Paul police said there had been two domestic violence calls to his home in the past year, but both were resolved without incident. Oh, and I bet you believe his version of the story.... Vang told investigators he didn't realize he was on private property when he climbed the tree stand, according to the probable-cause statement released Tuesday. The county has thousands of acres of public hunting land, some of it "virtually around" the private property where the shooting occurred, Meier has said. A hunter approached and told Vang he was on private property, and Vang started to leave as other hunters approached, the statement said. Vang said the hunters surrounded him and some called him racial slurs. Vang said he started walking away but looked back to see the first hunter point his rifle at him and then fire a shot that hit the ground 30 to 40 feet behind him, the statement said. Vang told investigators that's when he started firing at the group, according to the statement. They had the drop on him and he was still able to kill 6 of the 8 that he shot.....riiiiigggghhhhttttt not only that, they weren't even bunched up. The had surrounded him and he was still able to kill them all. Tell you what, I think that forensics will answer many questions. Wonder how many were shot in the back. I bet that if there were 6 people charging one guy from different directions (remember he was surrounded) that he would have a tough time hitting even half of them, let alone killing all of them. Have you seen any report that suggests that there was more than one gun among the dead? They must have been pretty freakin brave to charge a guy with a gun when they were unarmed themselves.