To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (56380 ) 11/24/2004 4:14:37 PM From: Maurice Winn Respond to of 74559 Hi KC. Being stuck in a ditch in Canada is worth thinking about. It's COLD in winter and wandering off in the snow is dangerous. <Every once in a while when I disagree with someone I stop and think... , but what would this guy do if he found me stuck in a ditch ? It often adds a different perspective... > I was stuck twice. Once I was trying out handbrake skids sideways on a slight downhill stretch out in the country and unfortunately ended up nose into the snow bank. My wife thought it served me right for being a smart aleck [males having fun is disapproved by females, especially if legally bound]. A kindly chap coming the other way enquired as to what happened. I explained that I applied the brakes and he suggested to me that braking is hazardous and needs to be done very carefully downhill in snow conditions. He would have assumed that I was an ignorant foreigner and I was too embarrassed to explain the way in which I'd been using the brakes. He pulled our car out, which was nice of him. My wife had threatened to tell him what an idiot I was, but I begged her not to and she relented, storing it up in long-term memory as an example of what a turkey she was stuck with. Another time, I was on a little country road. I stopped before a little ridge of snow across the road, being very suspicious of anything. I decided it looked okay to proceed after inspecting it, so proceeded forwards through it only to feel the front of the car drop through what had seemed like a flat road surface on the other side of the little ridge but was really just a crust of frozen ice over a little trench across the road. I didn't have enough traction to move. The car wasn't going anywhere. This was in 1975, so Globalstar phones, and not even terrestrial CDMA phones were available, so I was up the creek without a paddle. Fortunately, there was a farmer nearby who kindly towed me out with his tractor. Since -25 degrees Celsius is a common temperature and wandering around in the outback can be fatal, being stuck in a ditch in Canada is hazardous to one's health. Ditches are also very easy to get stuck in due to snow everywhere. So I can see that you are mindful of "would this bloke tow me out?" I don't see why everyone in Canada doesn't have a Globalstar phone. They aren't even very expensive. The convenience, not to mention safety, makes it a no-brainer. globalstar.ca Mqurice PS I learned that handbrake skids are much better done on roundabouts in town, where there are no snow drifts, ditches or other objects to crash into. Of course these should not be done in dense traffic or in the presence of police who are trained not to have a sense of humour or fun. It's also good to avoid having wives or other females in the car. Nephews and sons think it's hilarious.