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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (599)	11/24/2004 3:22:09 PM
From: cirrus	Respond to of 224648

Bush had the pleasure of a republican congress during his first term, during which he pushed for tax cuts but not spending cuts - and added a trillion bucks to our debt. Bush, who in his first four years did not veto a single spending bill, won't be able to blame Clinton or 9/11 for his fiscal irresponsibility much longer... cirrus, it's not that conservatives consider taxes bad, just that they believe that Americans already pay more than they should. Liberals won't acknowledge that tax revenues are often spent frivolously.

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (599)	11/25/2004 1:19:23 PM
From: calgal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224648

REVIEW & OUTLOOK The Desolate Wilderness Nathaniel Morton describes what he and other Pilgrims saw in 1620. Thursday, November 25, 2004 12:02 a.m. EST Here beginneth the chronicle of those memorable circumstances of the year 1620, as recorded by Nathaniel Morton, keeper of the records of Plymouth Colony, based on the account of William Bradford, sometime governor thereof: So they left that goodly and pleasant city of Leyden, which had been their resting-place for above eleven years, but they knew that they were pilgrims and strangers here below, and looked not much on these things, but lifted up their eyes to Heaven, their dearest country, where God hath prepared for them a city (Heb. XI, 16), and therein quieted their spirits. When they came to Delfs-Haven they found the ship and all things ready, and such of their friends as could not come with them followed after them, and sundry came from Amsterdam to see them shipt, and to take their leaves of them. One night was spent with little sleep with the most, but with friendly entertainment and Christian discourse, and other real expressions of true Christian love. The next day they went on board, and their friends with them, where truly doleful was the sight of that sad and mournful parting, to hear what sighs and sobs and prayers did sound amongst them; what tears did gush from every eye, and pithy speeches pierced each other's heart, that sundry of the Dutch strangers that stood on the Key as spectators could not refrain from tears. But the tide (which stays for no man) calling them away, that were thus loath to depart, their Reverend Pastor, falling down on his knees, and they all with him, with watery cheeks commended them with the most fervent prayers unto the Lord and His blessing; and then with mutual embraces and many tears they took their leaves one of another, which proved to be the last leave to many of them. Being now passed the vast ocean, and a sea of troubles before them in expectations, they had now no friends to welcome them, no inns to entertain or refresh them, no houses, or much less towns, to repair unto to seek for succour; and for the season it was winter, and they that know the winters of the country know them to be sharp and violent, subject to cruel and fierce storms, dangerous to travel to known places, much more to search unknown coasts. Besides, what could they see but a hideous and desolate wilderness, full of wilde beasts and wilde men? and what multitudes of them there were, they then knew not: for which way soever they turned their eyes (save upward to Heaven) they could have but little solace or content in respect of any outward object; for summer being ended, all things stand in appearance with a weatherbeaten face, and the whole country, full of woods and thickets, represented a wild and savage hew. If they looked behind them, there was a mighty ocean which they had passed, and was now as a main bar or gulph to separate them from all the civil parts of the world. The Wall Street Journal has published this editorial annually since 1961.

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (599)	11/25/2004 1:20:27 PM
From: calgal	Respond to of 224648

Time to up Thanksgiving's importance URL:http://www.jewishworldreview.com/tony/snow1.asp

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (599)	11/26/2004 8:57:40 AM
From: cirrus	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224648

Hope you had a nice Thanksgiving, Ann! To respond to your pre-holliday missive: If I understand the difference, then: Conservatives, unlike liberals, acknowledge that tax revenues are often spent frivolously, then vote to spend anyway - while cutting taxes? Doesn't that make the problem worse? The latest spending bill is clear evidence that the republicans are as bad as anyone when it comes to spending. And Bush? He'll sign it - and break his repeated promises to cut wasteful spending. By applying the "liberal" tag to this issue you again create distinctions between "liberals" and "conservatives" where non exist in reality. So while funds are slashed for Head Start programs, VA hospitals and other vital services, while Social Security and Medicare continue to head down the road to insolvency, the leaders of Congress are busy spending $2 million to buy back a presidential yacht first used by Herbert Hoover and sold for a little over a quarter-million bucks under Jimmy Carter, according to the Cox story. Does that make sense to anyone? This is no longer an issue of free-spending Democrats vs. tightwad Republicans. Republicans control both houses of Congress and the White House and have proven they can be as cavalier in spending our money as Democrats ever were. As our nation continues to spend billions of dollars in Iraq while closing down fire stations in America, does it make sense to send $200,000 to the Aviation Hall of Fame? lufkindailynews.com!-138447944?urac=n&urvf=11014763948320.2933101128034512 Liberals won't acknowledge that tax revenues are often spent frivolously. Politicians easily find all sorts of useless ways to spend taxpayers hard-earned dollars. They will eliminate the pork only if forced to do so.

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (599)	11/26/2004 9:29:47 AM
From: cirrus	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 224648

If protecting the rights of the minority is not what America is all about, what IS America about? During one era in my lifetime the "majority", whites, felt that blacks were inferior and quoted the Bible to that effect. Blacks were banished to the back of the bus, to the back of the restaurant, kept from "white" schools and so forth. America has changed for the better since that time, but a lot of deeply held beliefs were shattered - and it wasn't conservatives who led the change. If you were around during that time I'm sure you remember the intense, bitter moral and social debates that took place in the fiftys and sixtys... No, Ann. Minority rights are very, very important. Take away that and you discard the essence of what defines America. As far as parental approval for abortions, realistically how many of those cases would be due to incest?? Very few. Liberals always seem to favor the vast majority of society compromising their beliefs in order to accommodate a teeny tiny minority. That doesn't make sense. The push to legalize gay marriage is the most notorious issue in that category.