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To: Oeconomicus who wrote (89737)	11/26/2004 9:22:22 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

Oh yes. There was plenty in the articles to suggest that. "It's a fact of American history that our founders were religious men and to hide this fact from young fifth-graders in the name of political correctness is outrageous and shameful," said his lawyer, Terry Thompson. " Leaving religion out of history in 5th grade isn't hiding anything- it's adhering to standards based education. There is nothing in the standards telling us to teach children that our founders were "religious" men. And getting in to that in 5th grade is not acceptable in anything but a religious school. "Williams wants to teach his students the true history of our country." hmmm, as opposed to what? The history everyone else is teaching? No, I'm not jumping to conclusions. Mr. Willaims has the "TRUE" history and he wants to share it. Doesn't it worry you that Mr. Williams thinks he has the "truth" about a subject as open to controversy as history. It worries me. The facts are in the story. I'm not hostile to religion (at least not all religions, in fact I really like some religions); I am hostile to religion in school, and to pushing a religious agenda on school children (or an anti-religious agenda- I am equally against that) Children should receive their religious inculcation from their parents, and not from anyone else (unless that agency or person is specifically chosen by the parents for such inculcation). The fact that you think I am hostile, or that I would denigrate any religion in my class, is YOU jumping to huge enormous conclusions. And that you would say it is scary that I teach is nasty, and personal- and I totally disapprove of such posts. I am amazed people go around posting things like that. I hope you would never act that way in person, and I am very glad I will never know. I merely said I didn't think we had all the story, and I bet those other documents were a bigger trigger than the declaration of independence. I think one can infer from the quotes that Mr. Williams has a definite prespective on religion he is trying to get across. Please, find out what those other documents were, and what Mr. Williams was doing with them and what he wanted to prove and share it with others on the thread. I certainly could be wrong... but you could be too. I will look forward to learning more about Mr. Williams on my own, since I don't read people who get nasty and personal in their posts. . I wish you the very best in the future, and hope that some day you learn to discuss things without making nasty personal comments. It is possible, and it is a better way to live and post (imo).

To: Oeconomicus who wrote (89737)	11/28/2004 6:20:04 PM
From: Grainne	Respond to of 108807

Public school teachers in America (at least in the blue states) neither teach religion nor teach against it. This neutrality gets harder at the high school and especially the college level, when one must start understanding the causes of wars, crusades, etc., and unfortunately religion plays a very negative role. Of course, in college professors may teach the actual truth, but I am getting away from the point of this post--sorry. Ionesco made her sense of fairness and balance really clear in her post, I thought. In any event, telling her that it was a scary thought that she was a teacher, and that she has absolutely no business being in a classroom, are personal attacks. I have been giving a lot of warnings because I guess the idea of having any standards of behavior are more novel than they should be here, and some people are having difficulty understanding them, or so it would seem. In any event, it is everyone's responsibility to read the terms of use I posted on the thread head. Participation here is entirely voluntary--go slug it out at Thread Morons or wherever, I don't care--but anyone who wants to continue on at Feelies needs to behave themselves.