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To: Nikole Wollerstein who wrote (205)	11/28/2004 4:50:00 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1729

Nikole > take note..Demolibs. This is what a real 'stolen' election looks like and how people react to it. Although I'm neither an American nor a Demolib, may I respond a) Kerry was not in opposition to Dubya, he was simply an alternative. Hence it would have made very little difference whoever the US electorate voted for -- the result would have been effectively the same -- a right-wing, big-business, anti-socialist, pro-war government. Further, Kerry's complete indifference to the "stolen" US election is extraordinary in that he has not uttered one word in protest. If he remains so quiet and passive how can one expect his supporters to run in the streets -- like a headless chicken? bellaciao.org >>... our guy, Mr. Anybody But Bush, is silent about vote fraud and suppression that clearly cost him the election. Doesn’t that seem a little bit fishy?<< Clearly, Kerry's position in the election, and his response to his losing, are very different to that of the opposition leader in Ukraine who is outspoken and defiant. b) The opposition party in the Ukraine was, in fact, helped by the US who responded immediately to the announcement of the "stolen" election with support for the opposition party and condemnation for what occurred. No external agency or power responded to the "stolen" US election on behalf of the defeated Demolibs. guardian.co.uk >> ... while the gains of the orange-bedecked "chestnut revolution" are Ukraine's, the campaign is an American creation, a sophisticated and brilliantly conceived exercise in western branding and mass marketing that, in four countries in four years, has been used to try to salvage rigged elections and topple unsavoury regimes. Funded and organised by the US government, deploying US consultancies, pollsters, diplomats, the two big American parties and US non-government organisations, the campaign was first used in Europe in Belgrade in 2000 to beat Slobodan Milosevic at the ballot box. Richard Miles, the US ambassador in Belgrade, played a key role. And by last year, as US ambassador in Tbilisi, he repeated the trick in Georgia, coaching Mikhail Saakashvili in how to bring down Eduard Shevardnadze. << Meanwhile, and as expected, Mother Russia is not taking this lying down. timesonline.co.uk >>RUSSIA has offered to back the Ukrainian government if it uses force to crush pro-democracy demonstrators who have taken control of the capital and other cities, it was claimed last night, write Askold Krushelnycky and Mark Franchetti. A senior figure in the Ukrainian presidential administration who declined to be identified said that Boris Gryzlov, President Vladimir Putin’s personal envoy to Ukraine, had promised “diplomatic cover” against any international backlash prompted by such a move. << It is conceivable that, one day, the Ukraine may be on the way to gaining democracy, but there's no doubt that the US has lost it. And indeed, one can feel contempt for the Demolibs -- because, other than rising in revolution which is absurd, do they really have a chance to do anything meaningful about what has happened -- particularly when their leader is not to be seen?

To: Nikole Wollerstein who wrote (205)	11/28/2004 5:34:19 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1729

Nikole > This is what a real 'stolen' election looks like and how people react to it. (2) haaretz.com >>Along with President Putin - but in contrast to almost everyone else - a large delegation of observers from Israel pronounced the elections in Ukraine legitimate. Even though almost the entire world is outraged at the disorder and perhaps even the illegitimacy of the elections, a different message emerged from the Israeli delegation. "The observers reached the conclusion that it can be said that the elections met the standards of democracy." If the observers from Israeli found departures from the norm, they were seen only in western Ukraine, the area most closely linked with Europe, and where the opposition candidate, Yushchenko, won a clear victory. The international community is divided into two camps: Europe and the United States on one side, Russia and Israel on the other. According to this pattern, the voting by the former Ukrainians in Israel was also surprising: 80 percent of the 3,000 voters here, the highest number of any Western country, cast their ballots for Yanukovich, the candidate who is supported by Russia.<<